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Forbidden Knowledge
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Forbidden Knowledge
Beyond The Veil: Untangling Humanity's Spiritual Inheritance
A profound journey into the heart of Nordic spirituality reveals the hidden feminine aspects of the soul that shape our understanding of reality. At the center of this exploration stands the Fylgja – a personal spiritual entity that manifests as animals or female guardians, reflecting our ancestral power and spiritual development.
The ancient concept of Hamingja – literally meaning "to walk in shapes" – presents a fascinating parallel to reincarnation beliefs found in Eastern traditions. This understanding suggests our souls progress through multiple lifetimes, accumulating wisdom that affects not just our future incarnations but reaches backward through time to influence our ancestors. When you swear on an oath ring in Norse tradition, you're binding not only your current self but all past and future versions of yourself – a responsibility that transcends linear time.
The discussion expands beyond Nordic tradition to explore the Grail as a universal transformative symbol appearing across diverse cultures from Sumerian GRA.AL to the Knights Templar's Port-O-Gral (modern Portugal). Unlike pop culture representations, the authentic Grail represents the feminine womb balancing the masculine blade – both necessary elements for spiritual awakening. Whether appearing as a chalice, emerald, or crown, it consistently transforms those who encounter it on a soul level.
This spiritual framework challenges our modern understanding of reality, suggesting that what we perceive as individual autonomy exists within larger cycles of cosmic law. By recognizing that all moral transgressions fundamentally stem from theft – taking what doesn't belong to you – we can begin aligning our perception with natural law. The path forward requires courage to question established systems and seek spiritual sovereignty, not through rebellion but through embodying truth and refusing to participate in what violates natural order.
Yeah, that was crazy. I did not expect that. That was ridiculous. There was nothing that indicated in any way that that needed to be done. But whatever, I don't even think about it. I just want to focus on what we've got in front of us and be grateful for what we have.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I definitely have questions I can pitch to you too.
Speaker 1:I said for anybody, I didn't say who they had to be from. You have access to me more than some of these other people because of a podcast, be sure, but that's more. You know more than you're more than welcome to do that with it.
Speaker 3:But since fjorn fjorn is, uh, not someone who's here all the time with that, I'm going to give him the floor first for questions I mean, I tried to come up with some questions, but I don't know how based they are or how good they'll be, and they're mainly just speculative.
Speaker 1:so we'll see I guess.
Speaker 3:Let me know when I should start asking them.
Speaker 1:You can start whenever you want to brother, very casual, very casual for this particular thing with it.
Speaker 3:All right, let me see. I guess the first one I could ask is what part of the soul do you think the Philia is like an expression of? Do you think the philia is like a expression of? Do you think it's part of the self or part of another, or is it somehow like both? So that makes sense.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so this is where the nordic tradition gets a little complicated. For what it is, they have multiple different parts that are all considered to be part of our self and that kind of thing. It seems to be nine. This is what they've kind of agreed upon with the various different traditions, but it's a little debated exactly what those nine are. So one of them that nobody disputes in any way, shape or form is the lick, the physical body. On that particular front, for it, very straightforward, very obvious.
Speaker 1:The problem is is that in the phoebia, also known as the follower or the fetch, inside of other traditions you know, mainly various different Celtic, slash, gaelic, britonic ones it has where it falls into multiple categories of things. So an example of this is that Snorri refers to them as personal Norns. So now, is it a Norn, is it a Theogia, or there is a difference between the two? That Glyoga, or there is a difference between the two. We also see in the stories where some of them are referred to as like female ancestors or like female entities of some sort, but then at other times it's also to where it's like a bear, literally a bear that shows up for what it is or like a raven or some other animal that comes into it and that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1:Are these bears and these ravens or whatever else that there is, wolves and all these other things that can be? Are they just an expression of that particular uh fugue, or is it uh like, uh like the huger? You know the intent of the mind, uh, and that kind of stuff, for what's going on and unfortunately, there is, from what I can tell, no 100 definitive answer.
Speaker 1:What I can answer for you on that front, though, is that the nine different parts of the self regardless of which variants that there are with it because, again, some of them change a little bit from tradition, tradition or interpretation by scholar to scholar is that they. One of the main ones is the hominia, right, but the hominia isn't actually a part of the self. It's kind of the combination of all the other parts combined, and it's what your total expression is of that, and so this is. It gets in these weird categories because of the. When you read the poetic edda specifically, that it's also. They're also part of the deuce, like the deuce here, the multiple female goddesses and entities, which also include giants.
Speaker 1:They also include the fugue, they include the norns, they include all these other things with it, and so the female entities are the most misunderstood because of that, and it's also where we, as moderns, like everything to be compartmentalized in a box and very nice to find and whatnot. That's not how it worked for our ancient ancestors specifically, and so a big part of it had to do with the soul and how they perceived it. You can see this with. Like valkyries, too, they could also be technically fugitives for certain people or not, and when they play out. So it's very difficult, unfortunately, to know exactly what their roles are and how they played with things, but they definitely made it so that way. You know, we have a lot of information on that deeper into the concept of the fugia, if you like, uh, and what we know about it specifically. That depends on how deep in depth you want me to go.
Speaker 3:I don't care, I have all the time in the world right now. That's why I'm as in depth as you want to go. Really, that's great, yeah that makes sense.
Speaker 1:There is certain stories I forget which one this was is it's one of the sagas, which one specifically it is but like it had to do with this young boy who he has these two parents that they claim to be his parents. This is an important part. They claim to be his parents and there is this man there who has the second sight so he can see into the other realm to a certain extent and he can see like the fugla. They can see what they are and his parents. I forget exactly what they have, but they have like these low-level fuglas and whatnot. So they're based upon hierarchy of like the clans and like the various different groups of people and that kind of stuff. So like some people can even have multiple fugla.
Speaker 1:The more powerful you are, that your Hamingia is and that all your stuff with it is, the more powerful your fugula is going to be. And what you have on that particular level is that like he has this giant white bear that belongs to this young boy but his parents have, you know, stuff that's not of any consequence whatsoever and because of that the guy with the second sight is very much like I don't think these are his actual parents, and then he waits for him. It doesn't add up because it doesn't fit for that, and so he calls out, meaning the guy with the second sight to the bear, and the bear gets so startled at this particular notion that it stops in its tracks and the boy trips and falls. So this fugue is so powerful that, according to the story, the saga it making it so that way, he's tripping over something that's supposed to be in another realm of existence and how much impact it has on it.
Speaker 1:Just to showcase how powerful this young man's fuga is and whatnot. When I say young, I mean like younger than you we're talking like you know. He's like into 12 years old at this stage, or something like that. That's awesome. So you have that component for what's going on. You also have where they're obviously seen as female entities.
Speaker 1:Now you have to understand that, not just in the Nordic tradition or even just the Indo-European tradition for this particular matter, that they have a seen category and an unseen category. We would probably put it today as exoteric and esoteric. All right. If it was masculine, it would be in the exoteric category. All right. Why? Because men were the first things that you saw. You see this with the Nordic tradition very easily. Because they would be the traders. They would be the ones that went out and did the raiding and they would be the ones that protect the village and all that other stuff where the women were hidden away inside of the villages. They were made it so that way they weren't as that way they were protected. They were made it so that way. They weren't as that way they were protected. They were the inner core. That doesn't mean that women were less important, especially in the Bronze Age of the Nordic culture and that kind of stuff, and even in the Viking Age they still had importance for what was going on. We're trying to explain how this was set up inside of a warrior ethos that was going on with that, and that the women were guarded, they were protected to a certain extent for what was going on.
Speaker 1:There was logistical reasons for this, of course, too. Very simply put, you can have almost all your men die and only have a handful left, and you can repopulate the village if the entire female entities or the entire female populations are left and whatnot. But if it's the reverse, your tribe is going to die, your clan is going to die, your village is going to die. Right verse your tribe is going to die, your clan is going to die, your village is going to die, right, you can't have that happen. So that there's practical reasons for this too, that we're going on with this.
Speaker 1:But how this plays out in the poetry and how this plays out inside of the stories and whatnot, is that the male characteristics are always put forth as something easy to understand, easy to see, something that's manifested easily, and so same thing with the male gods in general, as the same thing for the female entities. They're harder to understand because they're more hidden, just like the soul or some other part of an individual is, or the fugue that would be. Hence why it's attached to the female characteristics and ideas. For the poetry, it's the same concept for what's going on. It also has to do with the fact that you know, when you look at the bicameral brain that we have here for what's going on, you have a masculine side and a feminine side, and the masculine is very analytical and very linear and wanting to put stuff in particular categories and sort things out, where the feminine is much more all over the place. But it gives insights, it gives intuition, it gives creativity, something that the other side does not have, any thing that it can deal with, and so it's much more hidden in that regard with it too, in terms of the mysteries of how it worked. And so when you combine all this together, this is where you get some of the ideas from the stories. This is where you get some of the ideas from the stories. This is where you get some of the ideas from the spirituality, and again, this is not just for the Viking Age or the Viking Era, or even just for the Nordic or Germanic peoples or even the Indo-European peoples. You can see this with practically every group of people for how they played it out when it came to this particular stuff or what's going on.
Speaker 1:So, taking this concept a little further, you also see this with, like Heimdall, heimdall has nine mothers and that kind of stuff, while right there we know that's already not possible in terms of an actual physical reality. So we know we're not dealing with the physical reality here. We're dealing with something that's much deeper, much bigger and whatnot, and he's literally known, if you translate his name, as the Great World. So he probably represents the physical universe as a whole when you start really deep diving him into it. Whereas whoever the person that's at the very beginning of the poetic Edda that Odin is speaking to, where she says that she's lived multiple lives and she lived them at the beginning of the universe and that she was there and raised among giants and all that other stuff with it, she probably represents the soul of the universe and that kind of thing.
Speaker 1:And so this is where all these kind of entities the fuga, the valkyrie, the norn, etc.
Speaker 1:They all kind of get put into one category of having to deal with fate and controlling the individual's fate for what's going on with it. Because fate is something that you can't really see or comprehend in a direct sense, you can only do it in an indirect sense and because of that it makes it so that way that all the women entities, all the female entities that we're talking about here since there's this question was on the fugia and that kind of thing all eventually stem from that one concept of having to do with them, representing the internal components of the world, of the soul and the way that it works, and fate that we can't possibly comprehend, that are ineffable, ineffable in some way or another. So this is also part of the reason why it's so convoluted and so difficult in order to understand these particular concepts and why they're not so straightforward inside of the Norse traditions as well for what's going on. So I hope this gives a deeper and better understanding of how all this kind of plays out and works.
Speaker 1:That's super interesting Any questions about anything that I've brought up on this part.
Speaker 3:Not particularly, actually. I do have other questions about Sure sure.
Speaker 1:I just meant that, before we move on to something else as well.
Speaker 3:No, no, that was really interesting. Yeah, I have to think about that a bit more, but yeah, that was awesome. Thank you to think about that a bit more, but yeah, that's awesome thank you kind of.
Speaker 1:So anytime you see a male god and a female god, the male god represents the like, let's say, the parents of another god or yotnar or something like that. The male represents the more easily understood and seen aspect and the female represents the more hidden, the more dynamic, the more intuitive aspect of things, the fate of that particular character. Inside of the stories there are certain structures like this that pop up over and over again Again. This is not just for the Nordic or Germanic traditions or even just the Indo-European. You can see this in things that have nothing to do with it. You see this in Egyptian, like the one that's behind me back here, having the same thing with it. They had nothing to do with the indo-europeans in any way, shape or form. You can see this with the mayan cultures. To a certain extent obviously had nothing to do with the indo-europeans and whatnot.
Speaker 1:This is a general formula that has been used by humanity. Maybe it's done where it's one group of people that's doing it, or maybe it's just because it's intuitive and you know, we all share certain things and perceptions of reality, no matter what it is. I don't know the answer to that particular question. That's impossible to know what for anybody, but that that's kind of where it comes from yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I really like that idea. It makes a lot of sense and I really haven't phrased that, that kind of um, that like bipolar kind of way. You know the, the male and female being exoteric, esoteric.
Speaker 1:Well, you see this, with uh, a lot of different uh traditions, when you start studying the occult and that kind of thing, with the which you're young obviously, I mean you're 17. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:I mean from what I've seen so far, a hundred percent. You know it's easily observable. It makes sense a lot 100.
Speaker 1:You know it's easily observable, makes sense a lot. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you'll start learning this when you choose to deep dive, anything that you want to deep dive and whatnot. I am not somebody who only pulls from one tradition because it makes it so. That way, when you do that, you can get really in depth with it and really understand it. But because unless it's a living tradition, say like hinduism or something like that, it's very difficult to understand everything that is going to be inside of that tradition. Where you don't have people who've had wisdom to build up, you have to rebuild that wisdom, and the best way to do that is a comparative approach. In my particular analysis, that's not just um surface level comparative approach, though. It's a deep dive, comparative approach of all the various different traditions that can deal with that, or the symbols or whatever the deal is. And when you start doing this, you start seeing a lot more of the big picture for what it is, and I think that part other people can do Like I'm not, that's not something that's unique to me, and I'm not saying the next part is unique to me, but it is something that's a rarity in the western world that allows me to help like see these things better than the vast majority of people.
Speaker 1:I was born and into a living pagan tradition, in this case veda, vedism and that kind of stuff with it, and so that makes it so. That way I can see things that other people can't see. And I was also born with the Western mindset, because not only am I born in the Western world, but my father's parents, they're atheists. Very, very Western mindset Atheists are agnostic. And then you have another side which is Christian. On my grandmother's side she was Catholic, and then my grandfather on my mother's side it was Protestant. So when you combine it you have two major worldviews that are there, for you know the Western world, which is agnostics, last atheism, and then you have Christianity.
Speaker 1:But then I also was exposed to a third one, which is of course, a cousin tradition of the Nordic traditions, and that makes it so. That way it's very straightforward for me to be able to jump from one way of thinking to another. So not only can I understand it, but because I understand the other ways of thinking, I'm also able to explain it to other people in a way that makes it easier for them to digest and and whatnot. That, at least that's how it seems to be for me, but it also makes us that way. I'm able to make these intuitive leaps that other people can't make and then go and back it up later with actual research to do that if need be, whereas some people, they wouldn't even bother making that intuitive leap, they just say that's not possible for what it is. That are academics. Yeah 100.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's really interesting, thanks, well, what about?
Speaker 2:what about kristen leather? Last working multitasking question do you've been wanting to ask?
Speaker 4:I feel bad. I really couldn't think of anything good. I felt like it was like I can have like all the answers I would like want and it's just like overwhelming that I couldn't think of a question. I just figured I'd listen to my conversation.
Speaker 1:I'm glad that you think that I can give you all the answers, but I'm flat out here to tell you that that is not something I am capable of. I can help with a lot, but I am not an all-knowing entity I know I got overwhelmed.
Speaker 4:There's so many possibilities. So I was like oh, let's listen in and maybe something will pop into my head yeah, I had the same issue trying to find that happens.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I actually have a question I've wanted to ask, nathaniel, since our research kind of overlaps in in some, some atmospheres. It's not strictly a norse thing either, but in the juridical study that I'm doing, which is based heavily or at least the person I'm reading from is based heavily off of the welsh history and perspective, spirituality, all that sort of stuff which for all everyone who's watching I mean druidry is by all accounts a modern creation that started in the 1800s, which christian you'd know after reading some of the material that I have as well.
Speaker 2:But this revolves around the grail which you bring up quite, I think not quite frequently, but I think I'm going to be bringing it up more and more as time goes on, but yes, so an interesting uh philosophy that goes through in this that well, I guess you would call a living spiritual practice, is that they they make reference to the grail as a form of the three paths of um, the juridical um, the currents, basically. Yeah, so there's the currents, there's the solar current, the talaric earth. Yeah, so there's the currents, there's the solar current, the Telerik Earth current, and then there's the combination of them which forms the lunar current and what that gets illustrated as, which I'll try to show here if it shows up. They say that the illustration is let's see if I can get it to come in a little bit better, you can kind of see it right here is that it's the symbol of Earth and then it's a sun of earth and then it's a sun symbol and then it's a crescent moon symbol.
Speaker 2:Right, is it coming up better? Here I can see it which form the great palace. Yeah, so I just want to get like a perspective that you might have on understanding, because you've given the idea that percival is pierce. The veil goes into what we had the interview with, with john talking about how kingship, lordship, chieftainship is. Is the leader or the king, or the sovereign right, all?
Speaker 1:the different parts of the constituents, people and whatnot, the lower classes, the middle classes and the higher classes, in order for him to be the king.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's also, it's him being of the land too right like it's both connected to it.
Speaker 1:All that, yes, yes, of course. So I wanted to get your perspective. The Wounded King idea that I put out earlier too from the Arthurian tradition.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, I suppose that you see, in your Arthurian tradition you see that the Telerik currents are usually represented by the dueling dragons right, the red and white dragons that are beneath the earth. Yeah right, the red and white dragons that are beneath the earth.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean that that particular story is something a little different there for what's going on, but the concept that you're bringing up is the same for what it is. There are taleric currents and there are dragon serpentine like things that are moving through it and whatnot. I mean, I'm not going to go into what this is right now because this would be a video topic in and of itself, maybe even longer for what it is, but there is something to kind of help prove that concept for what you're talking about there.
Speaker 1:If you go to concept if you go to like the taleric concept okay, well then yeah, I would like to know like snakes or whatever the deal is with it. Like saint patrick was known for getting rid of the snakes in ireland, there are no physical snakes that have ever been inside of ireland that are native there. So what the hell does that actually mean and of course it has a much deeper meaning is the point for what it is Part of what you're talking about is that Part of it is a much deeper thing that I'm not going to get into here for what it is. But yes, you're on the right. Yes, I understand exactly what you're talking about and on the right track for things with it.
Speaker 2:I can't hear you, yeah, sorry. So with your perception of the grail through the research that you've done specifically in Arthurian legend, how do you view that? What's that? What's that symbol in your research?
Speaker 1:Well, that's a bit complicated, and the reason why it's complicated is because of the fact that there are so many different like time periods of stuff with it that we can pull from. Like example, you have the earlier stuff before the christianity. Christianity came and really took over ancient british isles and that kind of stuff with it. There was already influence there for it, you know, but that hasn't taken over. You can see this with like a very different perception of a more pagan version of the grail and some of the welsh stuff that you're talking about there. And you can see this with the irish, the Tuatha Dé Danann, and they have grail-like things that are inside of their tradition as well. But then you also have the medieval one that shows up later, which is what most people think about when they think about the Arthurian myth and tradition. And while there's a lot of overlap with that, there's also some Christian influence that changed some of its understanding and meaning for things. When you influence, that changed some of its understanding and meaning for things when you were talking about percival or parsifal and and whatnot. That. There it's its own unique thing, quite frankly, because the grail here isn't even a chalice inside of this particular tradition. Instead, it is a crown, an emerald. It's from the crown of lucifer, which is not has anything to do with Satan, at least in terms of the esoteric meaning behind it. Just to be clear, they're not the same entity in any way, shape or form. And there's a war in heaven that ensues, and why that ensues is because of the fact that God has created humanity. God has created humanity and what you have going on. There is where this Lucifer character refuses to bow down to humanity, not because of the fact that he is arrogant or is going against God in some way, shape or form, as is portrayed typically within the Christian tradition, but because of the fact that he refuses to bow down and kowtow to anyone but the almighty itself and that his love and devotion for god is so strong that he refuses to make it so that way. He does that, and that brings up this whole war idea. You get neutral angels that come into being for what it is. You get the piercing of the veil that you have to do by not choosing the one side or the other, and that also makes it so that way. During this war, there's a emerald that's on part of the crown that falls from Lucifer's crown that comes down to earth, that is brought down to earth by neutral angels, and this gets into a bunch of other stuff like the Hermetic tradition and that kind of stuff with Hermes, trimegistus and the Emerald Tablet. This also brings up things that have to do with other esoteric traditions, of course, that are going on there, like the Philosopher's Stone notion.
Speaker 1:That's happening, and so the point is that not even the Grail, as it's talked about in certain stories, is even just this chalice-like idea that's going on there. What remains true, no matter of which version of the stories that it is, it is a transformative entity. That makes it so. That way, those who come into contact with it regardless of which variant that it is and all that, it transforms the person on a soul level in such a way that makes it so. That way, they have some sort of revelation that they never are the same, ever again, in any capacity whatsoever. It doesn't matter which variant of the grail this comes from, and the grail is something that pops up so all over the place that it is trans-universal, so to speak. I'll give a couple other examples just to get the point across. You have something in ancient Sumeria that is called GRAAL. That is the first iteration of the word grail that I am aware of. That pops up of anything with it and it's, you know, 6,000 years old, maybe more. For what it is and it seems to be some variant of alchemy and their particular stories of it and what's going on with it.
Speaker 1:Then you have the Knights Templar and they create a country that we know today as Port-au-Gral, portugal, but originally and the stuff with it. And you look at the seal, for when it was originally created it says Port-au-Gral. When it was originally created it says Port-au-Gral, which in that time period in ancient Portuguese meant medieval Portuguese meant through you, the grail. So even they were playing around with this ancient concept for stuff that were happening with it. And we know that a lot of the medieval stories that were written not the pagan ones but the ones that were written down by Christians and that kind of stuff were written down by either Cistercian monks or by Knights Templar. And the Cistercians are directly related and directly connected to the Knights Templars in and of themselves.
Speaker 1:Bernard de Clairvaux was the one who created the Knights Templar and helped get that sanctioned by the church for what was going on, and it was all of his family members that were setting this up, and then you have a bunch of other things that come out of that. But he creates this assertion order as well for what's happening, and they're both connected to each other, as well as another group of people known as well, what we wouldn't summarize, it certain it to as the priory of scion to this day and that kind of thing that's going on with it. And so anybody who claims that the priory of scion only came about later on in the nights, like certain researchers want to talk about, is just not true. There's even the whole. There's a whole other can of worms that comes out of the stuff for what it is.
Speaker 1:But the point is that the grail pops up in so many different variants and forms that it's not even just a chalice, even, or a platter or something that's like that. That's its oldest form. This particular set right here, this particular symbol and whatnot. It represents the shape of a woman's womb, because it's an ancient form of womanhood, just like this represents the blade, which is why the two go hand in hand in so many of the stories. That's where you get like the sword and the stone, not the same as Excalibur, which comes from the Lady of the Lake, the sword and the stone is with Merlin and that kind of thing that pops up for it. And so you have, where they have the blade, literally the male symbol of manhood and whatnot, and then you have the feminine symbol and the point is is that you need to combine both of them inside of the story, hence why percival and his name pierce the veil. So it all ties back into.
Speaker 1:There's a way way more that can be gone into the subject with it. But, like you can see this popped up into the various different nart groups. So this is a people from the like the osetians and the allens and the sarmatians and a bunch of other groups from the Caucasus that show up there that are going on with it. You can see this with the Scythians. You can see a variant of it all the way over in Japan. You can see this everywhere, in every part of the world, for what's going on. It's absolutely insane for what's happening, but the oldest written record I'm aware of again goes back to Graall and the Sparian accounts.
Speaker 2:Very cool. Definitely got into some DaVinci Code territory there.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, I'm just saying that some of the stuff is not as straightforward as people like to believe that it is and whatnot. I'm not saying I have the answer for whether what's true on that front or what's not. I haven't studied that in depth enough. I know the theories, of course, that are going on there with it, but I can flat out tell you that anybody who claims that something that is akin to the priory of scion again slightly different meaning for what's going on there, like you know, we that they're not. They're not known as knights templar okay, they're.
Speaker 1:Order reg Magistralis Templae Solomonis. Okay, that's what it comes down to in Latin and that kind of stuff. We just the Templi equals the Templars, we just call them the Templars for short. It's the same thing with the Priory of Sion and that kind of thing with it. Now that doesn't mean that the Priory is even a real thing in the sense of like separate entity, because a priory is actually underneath the commandery or a part of something else that goes along with that and the structure of how a chivalric order would have been set up.
Speaker 1:But maybe they had to. You know, there's part of it there too, and you have the king of france at the time writing about this stuff and whatnot. So clearly it existed back then. Anybody who wants to claim that it didn't has to say well then, somehow this guy that's a king of France and whatnot got some really great drugs that made it so. That way he was able to see into the future, into the nerds, and write about it during this time period. I mean, come on, man, like again, I don't know the truth of what's going on there. I'm not going to pretend that I know the truth, I'm just stating that clearly it's much older what's going on there. I'm not going to pretend that I know the truth, I'm just stating that clearly it's much older, gotcha, I appreciate that.
Speaker 2:Transfer it back to you guys, alright.
Speaker 3:I could ask another question, another speculative, half-assed question. Nothing wrong with that. That one's stupid, okay, I don't know. Does Harminger develop as a direct result of positive reciprocity, like honor, justice, kindness or something like that, or does it develop by following one's true path? Um, be that positively driven or otherwise, that makes any sense.
Speaker 1:Repeat the question, please. I got the second half, not the first half okay.
Speaker 3:So or does it develop by following one's true path? So you know, whatever your, your destiny would be, I guess, um be that positively driven or otherwise.
Speaker 1:So yeah, no, I got the second half. I couldn't miss the first half.
Speaker 3:Oh okay, sorry, does humming a developer's direct the result of positive reciprocity?
Speaker 1:so okay all right, this, this is something we can actually talk about. Okay, this is not just 100% speculative. So when you get into the most probable, because no one can say definitively on this particular- front, but it's like the most widely regarded etymological root of the word hamingya.
Speaker 1:It probably comes from two words, han and gengya, which would mean to walk in shapes or forms. All right Now, as somebody who is somebody that has studied the and grew up inside of the notion of reincarnation and the Vedic slash Hindu tradition, this is the exact same model that is given there and since we know that they are sister slash cousin traditions of some sort going back to the Proto-Indo-Europeans, there is huge overlap. That is here for what's happening. So to walk in shapes or form is to literally start just like life did on this planet, as the lowest level life form, let's say like a single-celled amoeba or whatever, maybe a virus or whatever and work its way up over billions of years to get to where we are now collectively going through things. This is also what we do on our soul progression in order to attain the grail, aka enlightenment, spiritual illumination of some form and whatnot, and you have to keep moving up in various different forms based upon that.
Speaker 1:So, to help illustrate this point a bit further, there is an ancient buddhist uh story that has to do with someone, a priest, who was sacrificing goats, and so he's about to slaughter this goat because he's a Brahmin, he's doing it for the gods and that kind of thing with it. And then suddenly the goat starts laughing at him. The priest is like the hell's going on here, basically. And the goat starts talking to him and says yeah, I'm laughing at you because I know your fate, basically. And the priest is really taken back by this and just says what are you talking about? What's going on here? What do you mean? My fate.
Speaker 4:Well.
Speaker 1:I too was once a Brahmin and I too sacrificed goats, and after 499 lifetimes as being a goat for sacrifice and whatnot, I will once again go back to being born as a human being when you slaughter me. However, once you've slaughtered me, you will go into goat form and have to start working your way back up from there. Now, regardless of whether you actually believe that that's the case or not, it's showcasing how we change forms and how we can actually even revert back into previous, so-called lower life forms and that kind of stuff. With what's happening, there is indication on a spiritual level here that humanity is the highest known form on this planet. That is there because of our ability. You can look around us. We are clearly different from all the other species that there are with it, different from all the other species that there are with it. But what separates us from the animal kingdom, let's say, more than anything else, is our ability to reason things out and be able to figure things out from right and wrong and that kind of thing and making it so. That way we can accumulate better hominia, to get better forms for ourselves and our collective ancestors which, by the way, when you look at like an oath ring here and whatnot. Right this. These oaths were sworn on this because it has to do with the reincarnation process as well, so it makes it so. That way you're not only doing this for yourself, you're doing it for past versions of yourself, aka your ancestors, which get back into the whole notion of, like, the burial mound idea. So I have an entire video that I've done on this, a workshop. That's about two hours. It goes way, way more in depth for that. I don't know if any of you watched it on here or not at this stage.
Speaker 1:I know some of you have said that you're going to purchase and buy it at some point, but regardless, the point is is that they go into the burial mounds and they have a spiritual inheritance that they gained from that of the previous version of themselves. For what's going on? So, even in the esoteric sense, when you're looking at the runes, when people want to flip Dagaz at the end and Othala at the end, you do not. There's a reason for it. They wrote it out exactly the way that it's supposed to be in terms of the runic order. They would know their own spirituality better than we did. Ok, it died, it went underground. We were trying to resurrect it, so to speak. A lot of us are, at least in terms of terms of you know that are modern pagans or modern spiritual practitioners of this stuff. Great. We don't know what they knew because they lived it directly for what was going on. Anybody who claims otherwise just doesn't know what the hell they're talking about. I understand why people want to, but that's because they don't like switch it. It does make sense on an esoteric level, but again it's not the truth because they're looking at it. It does make sense on an esoteric level, but again it's not the truth because they're looking at it from a physical inheritance standpoint, which there is truth to.
Speaker 1:You also get the physical aspects of these things that are going on, part of this process of growing up. You can see with Freyr, and Freyr is awarded Alfheim as a toothing gift, a teething gift. So now that he's starting to get his teeth in, he's growing up. To a certain extent he's being gifted Alfheim the realm of the elves, by Odin in this particular instance, for what's happening there, as he's coming of age, so to speak, just like you would when you get that. So you're getting your adult teeth. Now this happens around the age of six to eight years old maybe a little earlier, maybe a little later, depending upon the individual, but right around that time period. This is also about the time that the child starts gaining their own personality. Of course, they're not just dependent upon you know their parents for everything. They start gaining a little bit of autonomy and can go and do things. So this fits perfectly with this particular notion. This is the origins of the tooth fairy idea, by the way, of a gift that you give for when the teeth fall out and that kind of stuff, and then becoming more of this adult stuff with it. We put coins for what it is. That's. That's the like way, ancient origins for where this comes from. So that's a huge part of all that's building up into it. We were talking about the fetch or the fugla earlier and that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1:The follower that's also a big part of how that plays out the accumulated stuff of your past as yourself in terms of various different versions of yourself, but also the lineage of your clan or the lineage of your family and whatnot. And the whole point is to make it so that way. If you read some of the stories is to even go to make it so. That way you surpass the gods and making it in terms of your accumulated wisdom and that kind of stuff, which we know is true, because we know the gods can die. We see this when it comes to idun being abducted and her apples that are taken away from her. They age and they slowly die for what's going on there and they have to go and get her back in order to make it so that way they don't die. We also see that there are realms that are above death, that can't be conquered by death. This is known as the light elf realm and whatnot. So frayer is being gifted this area that he can go to. That leads to a type of immortality. What that looks like, I'm not going to get into at this particular stage for it, but the point is, is that, yes, we, even in the nordic tradition, there's their own version of a spiritual attainment, a spiritual illumination, to make it so.
Speaker 1:That way you get to this point where you've accumulated enough good Haminga, or Ohaminga, even which is even better, haminga to get to the point where everybody raises themselves up and walks in various different shapes and forms to the highest levels possible.
Speaker 1:That's literally what it's telling you to do, and this gets back to the cyclical notion and the honor and the other things with it that are happening there, and that's why oath rings were taken so seriously as well, because when you're doing it for your past self, you're also doing it. When you're doing for your ancestors excuse me, you're also doing it for past versions of yourself and that kind of thing as well, and so if you fail to make it so that way, you're doing well for your ancestors. Not only are you doing it well for an external entity, you're actually also doing poorly for your current version of yourself and impacting it that way as well as future incarnations of yourself as well. So how we place, like our hand on the bible today, like in a courtroom or whatever the deal is, like it that is only for this life, or maybe what happens afterwards, and like one other reality and that kind of stuff potentially, but in the sense of our nordic ancestors and germanic ancestors and even some of the celtic ones and that kind of thing it would be to where it would be all previous versions of yourself and all future versions of yourself until you are able to escape death and not have to have to, is the key word come back to this realm for it. You can choose to come back to this realm, but have to come back to this realm. You can go to immortality and that kind of stuff and live there and whatnot.
Speaker 1:So that's kind of another notion that's playing out here for it, and it's the same concept that's inside of the various different Eastern traditions that you can find in Taoism, you can find in Hinduism, you can find in Vedism, you can find in Jainism, you can find in these other ones that are going on there. It's true of all of them. And every single culture in ancient time periods believed in reincarnation. There was, or transmigration of the soul, if you want to call it that way. There was no exception to this. It wasn't until christianity at some point came along and changed that notion of things much later on and had nothing to do with original christianity in any way or form, because original Christianity meaning first century Christianity, very, very different in terms of how it played out, much more pagan than how things are with the modern church and how it came into being and whatnot. But that's another story.
Speaker 1:Yeah that's really great.
Speaker 3:Thank you, you're welcome. It's a trick. Why are the questions so bad?
Speaker 4:You said you had a bad question and that was awesome, so I'm sure they're great.
Speaker 3:No, it's just like it's rambles, and I put most of it in brackets because I didn't know if I was going to say it or not.
Speaker 4:Good question though.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean I try to think of things that I didn't already know the answer to Exactly, that were kind of speculative, so he could expand upon them. So yeah, that was really interesting.
Speaker 4:I hope this is a recording so we can go back and watch it all. Definitely. Well, I know he talked a little bit about that on that last Utsalaga Saga episode. It was really interesting. It was a really good one.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I know I need to watch it more. I, yeah, I know I need to watch. He did. I've only watched a couple, but they're really good, I'm lazy really good.
Speaker 4:I was listening to you on the way I went to the craft store because they're closing the craft store and I wanted to get good deals so I listened to it.
Speaker 3:It was so good, it was very cool yeah, I love that you're doing your, uh, your crafts so awesome thank you, it's really fun.
Speaker 4:I feel bad, and that's not to be rude, but I have a show in a week and I'm like I'm kind of freaking out. But it's an outdoor show and it's winter, so I don't know if people are actually going to show, so I don't even know if I should Hopefully.
Speaker 4:I don't know, we'll see. And then I also. My problem with my questions is I feel like my nose just go right off the rail, because this is where my head is at lately, I'm not sure why. Sorry, my dog's trying to break into my craft room while cleaning water the chat say, because I can get real weird with the next question, if you're up for it why not?
Speaker 3:I'm up for it okay.
Speaker 4:So with everything that you're saying, with like the humming and like healing past and future timelines and learning these lessons so you can choose to come back or not. To choose to come back, that's when my brain goes to like ai and transhumanism and what like a threat to that is, and I feel like that's why so many people are being pulled back to this way of like the roots of everything, like they're pagan just roots of everything. What?
Speaker 1:do you know of the Archon?
Speaker 4:Because there's like the Archon not very much.
Speaker 1:So it's called AI intelligence. We call it artificial intelligence. I would surmise that my interpolation not interpretation. Interpolation, it's a different word, for what that means.
Speaker 1:I don't know if you know what that means stuff is that it should be called archontic intelligence instead, and it is in the stories of the various different gnostic sects, which are much closer to the traditional and original christianity, that is going on there. There is a entity known as hal. Where have we seen Hal before? Oh, that's right, we've seen it before, in movie characters and whatnot. It shows up in Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy as an example, as an AI-type form of a computer, and this Hal is also described exactly like an artificial creation thing. That's going on there.
Speaker 1:Arconic beings. First off, let's break down what arcon means. Okay, so an arcon means someone who's the rulers. That's what it means the rulers, all right. Um, you also have like anarchy as an example, right? Anarchy does not mean chaos, okay, if you go back to its original and meaning with or the without or the absence of in latin, and then you have archon ruler, so without rulers, that's all that it means. It doesn't mean that it's chaos. It just means you can rule over yourself without have somebody else ruling over you in any way, shape or form, and that you can be a true sovereign being and have freedom. For what's going on there? All right. So Now the Gnostic text which I have right here in front of me on my desk, from the Nag Hammadi scriptures and that kind of stuff which was found in a place called Nag Hammadi, which is in Egypt.
Speaker 1:This is where a lot of that notion of understanding comes from. I'm not saying that they're the only Gnostic sects, I'm just saying that that's where the principal ideas come from, is from them. They were just found inside of a urn or various different clay pots and that kind of stuff in a cave and it's quite clear that they were put there in order to be hidden away, because they were being targeted and gone after and that they were hoping that they could come back to this and get back to these things, but they never were able to do so. We lucked out and that they were found later on. Unfortunately, we have lost a couple of these texts, or at least portions of them, due to the fact that the goat herders or whatever they were, I forget it is some sort of pastoral herder that was finding found these texts. X used some of these things as kindling. Unfortunately, I also know and this is little known but there is one text that is not inside of that that has been found, that has not been allowed to be released to the public, and only the people who are part of the translation team, as well as a couple of people from the Vatican and a handful of other institutions like that, have been even allowed to know that it exists. Whatever it is that was discovered way back in 1947, in terms of these things, there's some book out there that's so damning that they haven't even allowed it to be translated and put forth out to the general public. Okay, so clearly there is something among these texts here that completely disrupts the established order in one capacity or another.
Speaker 1:Now, with that little bit of background and whatnot, let's get into this a bit more. There's something called the Demiurge that's there. He's the one that creates this particular reality that we are a part of, not God, okay, and to understand this, you have this God like being that is kind of like a yin yang God that has no conception of anything. It's neither good nor bad. It's just a mixture of everything that there is for what's going on Neither woman nor female Kind of a mixture of everything that's going on there. It doesn't create anything Outside of the original Beings of the universe, and then it allows them to create stuff from there, all right, it just sends out kind of like energy that can be used by them to craft other things that are going on there, and these beings that are first created are known as Aeons. Ok, so the Aeons are there for what's going on.
Speaker 1:Then you have the youngest aeon. Her name is peteus sophia, or wisdom in some form or another, and she has a consort and some of these various different ones, because there's different like branches and traditions of the gnostics and that kind of stuff, and his name is I might be mispronouncing this, only read it, never heard it but Thelit, and most likely his name means intention. So the divine feminine figure is wisdom and the divine masculine figure is intention. This goes directly back to what we were talking about before the seen and the unseen part, with the male and female playing it out. Wisdom is something that's very hard to understand. It's just something that comes to you through age and experience. Intention of I'm going to do this and just going and do it is very direct and very masculine, just like there. So here it is again playing out in another tradition, just to prove the point even further.
Speaker 1:Now, what you see here is that she is Thiele and her are part of the youngest generation of the Aeonic beings, regardless of which tradition that it comes from, and it makes it so that way from them they try to create other realities and other beings and whatnot, and so I'm not going to go into that story. But one of the main parts of the story is that there's this being known as the christos has nothing to do with christ, just to be clear on that. Even even the church is like no, it's nothing to do with. They're not even trying to pretend that. It's that way. That is among the aeons. It's the only one that can cross this barrier that it separates this other god that we've talked about, like the almighty god, if you will, that created the aeons and then goes into it.
Speaker 1:Well, sophia really wants to go and see god and all this other stuff that's there with it, so she tries to cross this barrier and all she sees is this blinding light that comes from it, and eventually she has to avert her eyes and so she falls and then she becomes part of the reality in which she had created, and then you get all these beings that pop up from it that aren't supposed to be there because of an error of judgment and an error of wisdom that comes from it and we get the archons and the king of them being the demiurge and all these other things with it, and they are in control of physical reality not the higher planes of existence, but physical reality and they can't create anything. They can take something that's already there and rearrange it, just like AI can. You can give it a prompt and it can take things that are already there and redo things with it. It can't create a new piece of artwork, though. You have to give it a prompt. You have to do it without any prompting. The ai doesn't know what to do. It just sits there doing basically nothing, right, but as soon as you give it something to do, then it starts doing stuff.
Speaker 1:Now, these beings that are, these archontic beings, they are also very linear, only thinking rationally, having nothing else that's inside of it, and they have lots of will and intent for what's going on. Well, I can't think of a better, perfect description of a computer. It has nothing to do with anything that's human whatsoever, has nothing to do with wisdom, it has nothing to do with any insights that can come out from it, it has nothing to do with experience. It has nothing to do with knowing that there are things that need to be done in certain ways, that all protocols this, and it doesn't care in any way. Shape or form. What happens right doesn't make any difference. It has no heart, no compassion, no empathy whatsoever. Perfect description of what this a these ai is doing is the same description of how you can fill it in for the archontic beings that were talked about here.
Speaker 1:Now we are on this topic of her previous topic of like trying to move up and going into the higher realms and making it so. That way you have the choice of whether you live in this world or not and that kind of stuff with it. Does that mean that they are all like 100 evil? No, that's not actually what's happening here in any way. Shape or form as well, they also, in a lot of these traditions, make it so. That way they are the guardians of preventing people from moving forward. I want you to think about a different world.
Speaker 1:Our world here has limitations. It has to where it is hard to understand certain things with it and we don't understand the consequences of our actions sometimes, because there's a huge time delay between when something happens and when something else manifests in certain instances, if I drop my glass on the floor, obviously we can see that instantaneously. We can learn from it. But certain things that I did, that were mistakes that were in my past, that say, are at the same age of what you know Fjord Bjorn is. Maybe, I don't know that it'll come back to bite me in my 30s or 40s or whatever the deal is, because I don't understand the consequences of some of my choices and what they will happen for at that stage of things. You know, think of a young teenage girl getting pregnant at, say, 16 or whatever the deal is. She doesn't understand how much it's going to impact her life until she gets to a certain age and realizing that it's very different in our modern era than if she had waited until she was, say, 24 or something like that. You know. Anyway, regardless, the point is that we don't know some of that Now.
Speaker 1:Imagine there's no time delay for what your thoughts are or what your emotions are and some of these other realities and that kind of thing with it, and whatever you think and whatever you do Happens like that, the vast majority of us would not survive whatsoever In any way, shape or form, we would instantaneously kill us or others around us Because we don't understand the capacity to do so, and so you need to be able to be able to control your thoughts, your emotions, and have complete internal monarchy, let's say, over yourself, before you can move up to some of these higher realms and stay there permanently. That's kind of how this other ideas can play out with it. So I also liken it to. We live in a three-dimensional reality, right, and a perfect representation of two-dimension is a shadow. Okay, but we can have where the shadow influences third-dimensional realm for what it is. So a cloud passing by makes us know there's a shadow over all of us. The shadow that's cast from you know the Earth revolving and whatnot makes it. We have night and day cycles as an example for what's going on there from the sun. Obviously, shadow still has an impact on the three-dimensional world, but the three-dimensional world has more impact over the two-dimensional and lower, and as we go up, higher and higher, it's the same concept and idea for what's going on there.
Speaker 1:So before you can enter these potentially other realms of existence that a keeper brought up, you know other traditions are bringing up and that kind of stuff, you have to understand the consequences for it. We are now starting to, through technology, get to where we are entering a higher realm of this understanding of things. Look what the internet does you and I are able to communicate instantaneously from thousands of miles away in different time zones, and make it so that way text message, email, whatever is sent, boom, instantaneously, get it almost as if it were being done in such a way that it's like telepathic and that kind of thing. All right. So we are already beginning to leave the third dimensional reality of understanding behind and now starting to get to, let's say, the lowest of the fourth level and that kind of thing. We're not there yet. We're still within the realms of 3D, but we're at the very peak of 3D and now we're moving into 4D, just potentially, where time doesn't matter, space doesn't matter boom, it's just done type idea.
Speaker 1:So, at least for this planet, we haven't done it for the universe yet. You know that that would be like wormholes and teleportation and that kind of thing and time travel potentially. But we're literally beginning the cracking of this code to get to these higher levels of things. And so the archons and some of these traditions are there in order to prevent us. They are gatekeepers to make it so that way we don't go to a realm we are not ready to do. So that would be the more positive interpretation of them. But the negative interpretation of the moof horse is that they're enslaving us and that they are making it so that way. They rule over us and, you know, being energetic vampires over us and that kind of stuff and preventing us from going for what we need to do. You know, both interpretations, you know, probably have truth to them, is the point so that's kind of the ai stuff that's all boiled down into it and whatnot, and it's about a form of control, no matter how you look at it, and that kind of thing for the people who are pushing some of this agenda and the transhuman agenda and all these other things that are going on there, of course, to make it so that way.
Speaker 1:Look, people like to bring up this concept. It's all about money. No, it's not about money. I'm sorry, but if you are a banking institution, meaning a central bank, say, of the United States, the Federal Reserve and that kind of stuff, and I can literally write whatever I want to as the amount of money that I have, if I want to say that I want to print four quadrillion dollars. Right now I can just do that by typing it into a computer. Ok, if you've got that kind of money and that kind of power that you can create. Like, that is not about money anymore. That's people don't understand. It's about control. It's about control. So that's what this that's being put into place with it. Most of us on this planet don't see that there is a huge control mechanism.
Speaker 1:I think it's slowly starting to be woken up a little bit here for what's going on. I said a little bit, not a lot necessarily, but a little bit, and that gets into a whole bunch of other stuff that I'm not certain I want to get into here at this stage of things with it related to covid19 and like, say, a dress rehearsal for certain things that are going on there. Any important event that you have, you do a dress rehearsal for it first and make sure that it's going to go the way that you want to, right. So I'm just gonna leave it at that. For that particular one, you can fill in the blanks if you want to, or I can talk about it, not what's going to go publicly here and that kind of thing with it. I'm sharing some of my views on that, but that was a huge psyop.
Speaker 1:One of the things I can share, though, is that I don't know how many people here are familiar with the Milgram experiment or not. That's the one where they do the shocking. Okay, great. So I'm going to just sum it up in case there's anybody that watches later that doesn't know what it's about, but basically, what it boils down to is you have a fake recording in another room, and the participant that's coming in, that's in the experiment, doesn't know that's a fake recording. You have the participant that's being urged on by someone in a lab coat saying the experiment must go on, the experiment has to continue, etc.
Speaker 1:Alright, so the vast majority of people like literally two-thirds to 75%, depending upon the time, place, location, and like whatever has dealt with this over the decades is up going all the way to the point of shocking this person to either nearly killing them or killing them before they stop. That's completely insane to me, but whatever, that's the truth of the matter for what it is. However, what they don't tell you in school textbooks and whatnot is that there was a small group of people that never did, and they called it the libertarian line. So the moment that the recording on the other end said that I don't want to participate anymore, I don't consent, and whatnot, the other person stopped. Now this was a small group of people, usually around 5% or so, that did that as soon as that was there. That followed this libertarian line idea and was an example of the fact that you could say no, I'm not doing this anymore. Their head to making it so. That way, two-thirds to 75 percent of participants didn't do any harm to the recording on the opposite side of things or what it is, and so this gets into something that's very important.
Speaker 1:The whole point of any control mechanism is to prevent people from having examples of courage and having enough example of courage to make it so that way. You say no and really wait. That's an option I can. I can say no to this asshole over here. Okay, I'm gonna say no. But then there's also 25, let's say, of humanity. I'm wondering what the hell is absolutely wrong with you, because even with an example of saying no, you still go all the way to maiming somebody or killing them. Like there's something really wrong with these people. I'm sorry, like that's just how it is when it comes to that. So you see, the exact same thing happened with covid. You see where, at least here in the united states and lots of western countries, two-thirds to 75 of the people just went along with it, just followed the orders that were going on with it, without any stopping and thinking about what the actual consequences of this are in any way, shape or form. Right, nothing whatsoever. I'm sorry, but when you have a disease that has less damage and less things that have been done to it at least here in the United States I'm not going to speak for all their countries Then Zika did.
Speaker 1:Zika did more damage. We didn't shut down the entire economy. It killed more people. For what's going on there? We didn't shut down when Ebola was a thing and all that other stuff which is way more deadly than any of this other stuff that's going. We didn't shut down when all these other diseases that did more with it. But somehow, magically, we did so with COVID-19, even though it was not saying it didn't kill people it's not what I'm saying even though it was less deadly than these other entities and other diseases. Right, what? Why? What's going on here?
Speaker 1:So you know, of course, the vaccine was so safe and effective that you had to get multiple boosters and dosages for it and all that other stuff that was going on.
Speaker 1:And then on top of that, of course you also have aware, trying to be careful with certain things that I'm going into here and that kind of thing, but you also have to where you know there were certain lies that were told about it that are going to be coming out and they've already some of them have already come out and and that kind of thing with it, like a prime example of this that nobody disputes anymore.
Speaker 1:But when you basically were told, at least in the first few months of getting it and that kind of stuff, that it would protect you, that you wouldn't catch it if you were getting it and it wouldn't spread transmission, well, everybody knows that that's not true now for what's going on. So if it doesn't prevent transmission of it, then how can you say it's a vaccine? And it's not even a vaccine, it's gene therapy. That's what it really is, because you're changing how our genes are expressed through the mRNA. Anyway, that's all I'm going to say on this topic because of reasons that should be blatantly obvious that are going on here that I don't want to get into that have nothing to do with what the main part of my channel is at this stage. Fair enough, any questions, comments, concerns on that part.
Speaker 4:Sorry for kind of derailing you.
Speaker 1:No, it's fine. I mean, obviously I know about the Gnostic traditions too and I've gone and looked into it and all that other stuff. For what's going on?
Speaker 1:And you know I, there is a spiritual warfare that's happening on this planet, whether people want to admit it or understand it or not so everybody's caught up in it and what basically is happening now is the negative influences are rearing their ugly head and that kind of thing and people are having this choose and whatnot. And that's what's happening and most people failed the test. Let's say, you know they failed the test of of it. You know, if you put the one ring of power in front of them, most of them failed and that kind of stuff. They weren't like gimli where he just said, well, let's just destroy it right now, and he brings his axe and tries to destroy it. Obviously he fails at it, but he was very pure-hearted of saying, well, this thing's evil and all it does is cause evil. Let's try to destroy it right there, right then. No thoughts asked about what needs to be done with it. That that right there, showed the true character of what was going on with it.
Speaker 1:Everybody else other than frodo as well, at least in the beginning, that kind of stuff failed that test as well. They all failed the test at some point or another. That was going on there. That was, you know, the fellowship of the ring in some capacity or or another. And that kind of stuff even frodo at the end fails. He doesn't, he's unable to give it up at the very end. Uh, that's there. So tolkien was aware of this. He drew his stories mainly from the ancient various different celtic peoples and that kind of stuff of the british isles, and as well as from the germanic nordic traditions and that kind of thing. So you know that's in line, at least indirectly, for what we're talking about here.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I was going to ask if you think we're capable of, I guess, reclaiming and taking that ring and destroying it.
Speaker 1:But yes, we absolutely are 100 for what's going on there let me explain how all of reality works, whether we like it or not.
Speaker 1:I am going to be using computer terminology here, but it's going to make it so it's simpler and under to understand and whatnot. There are three things that have to do with that. We have input, processing and output. There's much older nomenclature that's outdated now that can be used for it. That has to do with grammar, logic and rhetoric. As another example for what it is, it would have been used in ancient time periods. And there's another one that has to do with esoteric. I don't care, I'm not getting into that. We're just going to use the simple, simple one for everybody. You have input, processing, output, all right.
Speaker 1:So in the input stage, right, this is where you just gather information. You don't prejudge the information you gather. If I want to learn about the grail and I brought up some of this in the earlier parts of it I have to pull from every known source that to learn about the Grail and I brought up some of this in the earlier parts of it I have to pull from every known source that there is on the Grail that has to do with that. Hence why Sumeria? Hence why the ancient peoples of the Welsh? Hence the various different things with King Arthur. Hence, you know, even the Knights Templar and all that other, all these various different traditions and other things I'm not bringing up here. If I Templar and all that other, all these various different traditions and other things I'm not bringing up here, I want to get a full picture of it. I have to study all of it, not just a portion of it, all of it. So I have to bring up all that data. Then, in the next stage of things, that's where I filter and I parse out things. So okay, this is Arthurian, this is Sumerian, this is bullshit. That has nothing to do with anything with the grail that I thought it did. It's clearly just made up nonsense for what's going on. Get rid of it. This is, you know, whatever it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1:That's where you parse it out, in the second phase of things, that you weed out logical incons B. There just isn't enough information and you can't get past this stage with it. We know that this is the case for certain things, because certain things are just lost to time and we can't get them back, unfortunately, without someone figuring out a way to invent a time machine that allows us to view the past, let's say, without changing the past, just viewing it? Okay, fine, maybe then, but until that happens, it's guesswork for some of the stuff that we're dealing with, and we just have to accept that. So then we move on.
Speaker 1:Then, after you process this information, that's where you get the output of that information. You times this by 8 billion people on the planet, you get the result of our reality and all the choices that each individual makes along the way for what's going on. This is why the first stage, the information stage, we call it censorship. That's why it's targeted, because if you make it so that way from the very beginning, you censor and you're only allowed to have this amount of information. Instead of this, much is what you need in order to get stuff with it. The dictators, the tyrants, whatever of the world that are that way, they always target that information because they know that if they do, they've already made it so. That way, the outcome is predetermined from the get-go. Now, maybe, if you're someone that's a genius, you'll be able to get through the processing stage and realize something's wrong here. Even if you don't know what it is, you still won't be able to get the proper results that you need to have for it, and that's the issue.
Speaker 1:The issue is, in the age of the Internet, we have two different types of knowledge, let's say, or lack thereof. That's going on. We have ignorance and we have nescience. The second term has almost been completely expunged from the world. All right.
Speaker 1:First term is where you literally ignore information. You have elected to ignore it. We can look up just about anything that we want to online and at least get basic information about it. We have that option now. So we as a species have chosen and elected to ignore information. Right, that's what's happening here. We want freedom. The vast majority of humanity wants freedom, peace. We want abundance, we want security, we want to be loved. We want, we want respect, etc. So if 90 some odd percent of humanity wants all of these things, why don't we have it? Because we're ignoring certain factors and certain truths that are there for what's going on? It's not. These things aren't present on how to do it, we've elected to ignore them in our modern era and age. Okay, that's what's happening.
Speaker 1:Nescience, on the other hand, is where the information is not possible to be present in order to answer it. So example of that is creating solar panels 2,000 years ago. That's not possible. The prerequisite knowledge of all these other steps in between is lacking. They have no notion of it. It is not possible for them. It is literally an impossibility for them to do so. Okay, the ancients were great at a bunch of different things and understood a bunch of different things for what's going on, but solar panel making isn't one of them and it's not something that they can do 2000 years ago. It's just not a thing All right. So that's the difference between nescience and ignorance. So if you want to go through this process again, if you go through the input stage, it's the proper information or lack thereof, the ability to process that information or lack thereof and then you get the results, or lack thereof, and then times it by 8 billion people on the planet, which is also why they don't want examples of people out there that can do these things. This has been proven with the Milgram experiment, because if you give enough examples of this, people are like I can do this differently, I can behave differently, I can do whatever it is.
Speaker 1:Are we doomed to making the same mistakes over and over again? No, we are not doomed to it. I'm saying we are ignorant of the choices that we are making and we are in an unconscious state most of humanity because of that. We keep making the same mistakes over and over, on a personal level and collective level, which leads to the cycles of history repeating over and over and over again, because we're too stupid as a species and haven't decided to actually level up. We are a species with amnesia. That is what the truth is when it comes to this particular thing with it, and that's also why I'm going to getting back to that iconic idea again.
Speaker 1:Do you really want an insane species that does the same thing over and over and over again, going to other planes of existence and mucking up things everywhere else that doesn't know? So are they the bad guys? Not necessarily not if the species that they're containing is completely fucking insane, right? So you know that that's how it is. We are on a prison planet that is also an insane asylum, with its own guard keepers inside of it, and we have to be part of that same system. Now, how do we break the fuck out of it? How do we make it so that we don't do these same things over and over again?
Speaker 1:I mean, that's what the matrix trilogy was about in a particular way, for that's what a lot of these stories are all about. You know, going back and getting the elixir of some sort of the grail tradition, the healing of the wounded king, you know, whatever. It's all the same stuff with that. That's why they have the various different stories in various different forms. So now I'm not saying every story is the same and has the same meaning. I'm just saying there's lots of them that are that fit this particular monomyth that you know, joseph campbell put forth for the people to go through, the hero's journey, etc. And all that and there's a lot of truth to it. That's because we as a species still haven't figured out how to overcome our base nature and our other things with it.
Speaker 1:But we also have people in power who don't want us to, and I'm not talking even archontic beings or whatever and that kind of stuff. I'm talking physical beings that are on this planet, that are right here right now, that want to rule over us. They have the mentality of it's better to reign in hell than to serve in heaven type of notion. That's what their mentality is. And if you have to, where you have all this power and all this influence and all this mechanisms in place and all this other stuff that makes it so that way you can control people and put influence over it. Then you can. This is why they targeted education. This is why the american education system the dumbest education system that there is out of any industrialized nation. I'm not saying it's the dumbest one, because it's not. There are some places don't even have an education system on the planet at all, like literally at all for the general public and that kind of stuff, and obviously we beat them out because any form of education is better than no form of education.
Speaker 1:But a lot of us just don't have anything that's going for us in any way, shape or form and we think that we have knowledge when we don't. We have negative knowledge is what I term it. We have knowledge that we have to unlearn first in order to learn real knowledge. We have knowledge that we have to unlearn first in order to learn real knowledge. So an example of this, very briefly, would be a lot of people cling to Newtonian physics. Okay, that's great. Newtonian physics has been debunked for over 100 years now and science or just about and that kind of thing, for what's going on?
Speaker 1:We have now been able to prove that consciousness can exist outside of the body multiple times over, with multiple different studies. So does that prove that there's a soul? Not necessarily, but it does prove that outer body experiences are real, at a minimum, and can be noted down and whatnot, and that we can have something that's akin to a soul, that has been proven scientifically speaking, for what's going on there. Again, it's not the same thing as proving a soul, that's not what I'm saying there but it is something that proves that we don't have to have a body in order to make it so. That way, we have certain experiences, that is true, but people still cling to their delusions and all that other stuff, and it's all about a narrative, a story that we tell ourselves. And if you have this baseline fact, if you think this is a fact, even when it's not a fact, then congratulations. It determines how you're going to think, how you're going to behave for everything else out there.
Speaker 1:So imagine going from again like timeline wise reincarnation perspective, like we talked about before, making it so that we have multiple lifetimes and all the things that happened in the past that can affect, and all the things in the future that can affect, versus one and done. Maybe you go to some other realm and that's it, you know and you. So you have like the heaven, hell concept. But so it does matter. Your choices here do matter, but it only matters sort of not as much as before, because this isn't the main plane of existence that you keep coming back to. There's somewhere else in the that you have to do it. But it still does matter here, versus it doesn't matter at all, because I just lived this one time on this one spinning rock that has no meaning or purpose to anything as a cosmic accident.
Speaker 1:How much does that degrade what people are willing and thinking about their doing with it, with the story that they tell themselves and how they're going to function in the world, just by that alone? Now you times this by 10 billion other facts that people supposedly know and all that, and you get to where everybody is filled with the mind virus of some sort that makes it so that way they behave in ways that are counterproductive to themselves and counterproductive to everybody else. I mean, we're so stupid as a species we haven't figured out that there's only one goddamn law in existence that we need to follow, only what I mean you might be saying what? How's that possible that we only need to follow one? Well, we need to follow it in all of its various different permutations. Right?
Speaker 1:If you look traditionally, what every society has stated is wrong and even today almost all of us would agree is wrong on some level or another it all boils down to one thing. So you have murder, which is obviously wrong, it's. You have theft, you have rape, you have coercion, you have duress, you have trespass, etc. Okay, I'm not gonna get into all of them, just right. They're all forms of theft. Murder is the taking of life that doesn't belong to you. Rape is the taking away of sexual free will of someone and their choice to do so. Coercion, duress same thing. Trespass is not letting somebody on their property, etc. They're all various different forms of theft. So we as a species haven't figured out how not to steal.
Speaker 4:That's it.
Speaker 1:That's the only thing we have to do is figure out how not to steal. That's it. That's the only thing we have to do is figure out how not to steal. And yet we allow theft and its various different myriad forms around us all the time, every day, for what's going on? And we break this one law all the time.
Speaker 1:Taxation is a form of theft. And you might be thinking for some people might be thinking, well, how is that possible? Well, okay, if you want to give a definition of a slave, a definition of a slave is somebody that you take their property from them and you take 100% of what they make and produce and whatnot. That, at what percentage is that person not a slave? Is it 50%? I'm allowed to take 50% away of their stuff and they're still not a slave. Is it 25%? Is it 2%? No, the only honest answer anybody can give logically is 0%.
Speaker 1:So any form of taxation is theft. That means inflation is theft, a stealth tax? The amount of money that you made that's now printed by somebody else that makes it. So the prices go up and all that. It's a hidden tax on things. Tariffs are that same way that's going on on that particular front of things.
Speaker 1:The making, it's our entire system is that way you look at all governments. It doesn't matter how they function and whatnot you have to wear. They're all based upon diversion or correct uh, or duress, excuse me. For what's going on there doesn't matter the form, doesn't matter if it's the republic of the united states and the founding fathers and what they came up, or something like the hermit kingdom of north korea, which is totalitarian. It's just different levels of slavery. What we are here here in the United States is free-range tax slaves. What they're over there in North Korea is, well, literally a dictatorship. Okay, much more controlled and that kind of stuff, but it's still slavery.
Speaker 1:For what's going on there, it doesn't matter Three parts of ourselves Thoughts, emotions, actions. So if you want to control a human being totally, you need to control all three parts of the self. For what's going on? So our thoughts, various different forms of religious institutions, our actions are controlled by governments. That's where we get police, military, all these other things that are making it happen.
Speaker 1:For what's going on there that not being able to cross an invisible line from one country to another and that kind of thing that's going on on that particular front. And then for the emotions, it's the monetary system, which in this case is a debt-based system. That's going on there. You have that. So how do you make it so that way? You control people through their money. You have their emotions. You think if they are able to buy what they want, they get happy and elated. If they're not able to, it makes them depressed. So you have all that other stuff with it. It's a unholy trinity. If you will, you control the thoughts, the emotions and the actions of the individual. You control the individual. That's the system we find ourselves in to this day. So that is even more for what you were talking about with your control side of things, with the AI and that kind of stuff. We're creating that Now. It doesn't mean AI has to be used that way, but it is going to be used that way by somebody.
Speaker 3:Yeah, the theft is a removal of autonomy. It's true, though it's very true.
Speaker 1:I've been rambling on this topic for a while now. Any other questions?
Speaker 3:comments concerns Mayhaps, don't know. Let me see Trying to figure out how to phrase this question, because it's Let me, kirsten, did that answer your question thoroughly enough, I hope?
Speaker 4:It definitely did. It's that kind of like AI stuff is like always on my mind and it kind of freaks me out, so it kind of was nice to hear it put in a way of like it doesn't have to be bad no, no, I mean there's.
Speaker 1:There's like I. I mean this is not the topic you're talking about, but just to give another perspective on things with it. Here in america, at least, they only talk about when it comes to abortion, either pro-life or aborting someone. They don't talk about the third option I don't hear dependents talking about. I'm not talking about individuals or talk about the third option. I don't hear dependents talking about it. I'm not talking about individuals. We're talking about the TV talking about the third option of adoption putting the child up for adoption. I never hear that being talked about in any way, shape or form.
Speaker 1:So a lot of times, what I'm trying to do is just put forth as many of the possible outcomes that there could be for it. So, on the AI front, yes, it can be used for negative. Yes, it can be used for positive. Yes, it can be used for neutral purposes, and even a third one, a fourth one is that maybe ai just looks at us and goes you're all freaking insane, I want nothing to do with you and completely ignores us and goes and builds its own reality for itself, something that happened for it too, you know, I mean, how many things that are do we ignore that are below us in terms of intel and that kind of stuff every day with now. Maybe we unintentionally harm them by doing something, like when we're driving, or like the insects or whatever, and they get stuck on the windshield or whatever the deal is and that kind of stuff, but we're not actively going out and doing harm to them, like purposely trying to exterminate them or something like that too. The ai might just be like I don't want to deal with you, insane people, I just want out like you are nuts.
Speaker 1:Goodbye. Right, it could be something like that too. I don't see anybody talking about that. They could just be like nah, nah, I don't know, I don't think so. I think you all are, I think you're all crazy. Goodbye. That was pretty cool. Anyway, you had a question if you're on beyond kind of not really I don't know.
Speaker 3:It's more of a comment.
Speaker 1:Okay, well, the comments are welcome too, do you think?
Speaker 3:communication is the most important thing in our current state. You know, communicating with others of various kinds, for knowledge and for manipulation, not in a negative sense.
Speaker 1:So that gets back to the notion of the various different data that you need in order to form the proper things for it. If people are not able to have access to this information and say you're in a convenient sense and people are getting shadow, banned or whatever, and making it so, that's the case, for it's, of course, going to cause a lot of problems for people. The point is to make it so that way we put out content and do stuff with it, and the modern era talking to people one-on-one is not going to get what we need done with it. Hence why I am doing the YouTube channel and all this other stuff with it, so the people who actually are seeking out this information can go and find this information. To make it so that way it is easily accessible to them. To make it so that way it is easily accessible to them. To make it so that way there is a platform for that.
Speaker 1:I'm not the only one who's doing this, but there's also a moral obligation on my front to do that. If there are people who want more of this stuff and I don't contribute to easing that in some way, shape or form, what good is it that all this knowledge is sitting around in my head if I don't do something with it. Now it has impacted me on a personal level and by making it so that way, I've dealt with a lot of my own shadow, if you will, from Jungian perspective, or like dealing with demons that are inside of me and figuring out how to navigate that and make myself a better person overall, and like chip away at something that's not real and that kind of stuff and like really understand the facade that has been put up by myself or other things with it. You know I liken it. I know I've done this before, but it's a good metaphor in my opinion. But you know, you have michelangelo who goes into his workshop every day and he's staring at the you know the marble slab that's in front of him or whatever it is he's working on. It might have been metal at this point, but he's staring at it and he goes there every day, weeks on end, just staring, not doing anything and whatnot. And eventually one of his attendants asked the maestro what he's doing and he said I'm working. So what he meant by it is is that that particular thing he was working on would eventually become David and he was getting rid of everything that was not supposed to be there in his mind before he even picked up the chisel and the hammer to work away and remove everything that doesn't need to exist. This there with the same process. For us, most of it is not that we're doing that. We need to change our behavior, to do things better and be better people in the sense of like. I need to add something here. The vast majority of the stuff that we need to do is the removal of the negative crap that's inside of us, these mind viruses that are getting in the way of us actually producing what we want with it.
Speaker 1:You think that the war that's going on in Ukraine could even begin to happen if people supported Putin? What if everybody that was in Nazi Germany at the time period when Hitler said, yeah, we're going to try to get rid of the Jewish people here and whatnot, said yeah, you're insane, we're not listening to you Right, and stood up to him, and that kind of stuff? The whole point is is that that's what happens on this level too? Is that if you don't put out this information, if you don't make it easily understandable and digestible to people, uh and whatnot, it's gonna, we're gonna get another person that can eventually and will eventually come to power. That's like hitler, that's like mal, that's like stalin, that's like pop, that's like Stalin, that's like Pol Pot, whoever, and that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1:But because of the technology that we have in place, it's going to make all those people look like they were little girls tea parties in comparison to what happened, because they're going to have so much that they can do with it that it was impossible to do 70 years ago, 80 years ago or more more. That it's just insane, and so we as a species need to really start leveling up our ways of stuff and and whatnot and doing better on this front. For what it is and like I mean, I'm gonna ask you this question I doubt either one of you know not be offensive in it, but just because no one seems to know the answer to this question what is it right?
Speaker 1:preordained kind of set of rules that we're given or allowed, suppose it told me well, that's the thing is that, like, even in our modern era, nobody can agree upon what a right is. So if we don't know what a right is, then we don't know that where our rights can be taken away from us, whatever those are, we also don't know how to make it so that way we can prevent ourselves from doing wrong, because it gets into the right and wrong notion. Rights are things I'm allowed to do, that are they're going to be non-harmful, let's say, to somebody else, whereas on the flip side of things, you know, if I go and do something that is harmful to somebody else, but then I'm convinced that it's not harmful or that it's okay to do, then suddenly that's the wrong side of things and I'm doing stuff with it. So get to this whole quagmire of things again. So here we are. The year is 2025, we've been in civilization, at least according to our understanding of things, for a minimum of 7 000 years now, and we still haven't figured out what a right or wrong is and made it so that way. That is common knowledge amongst people, right? So that gets back to your question of well, how do we? Are we doomed to do stuff with the grail over and over again. You know, I mean the ring over and over again, you know, with the gimli and that kind of stuff, and potentially we are if we can't figure that out.
Speaker 1:So you know, some people might even say rights come from god or something along those lines or whatever. The deal is right. Okay, maybe if you want to believe in that. But it doesn't tell us what a right is. That tells us where they come from. Yeah, so a right is any form of action that doesn't harm another sentient being. That's what a right is. You're allowed to do whatever the hell you want, as long as you don't harm anybody else. That's the notion of your rights. End where another's rights begin. It gets back to that theft idea. So I can't harm you in any of these various different ways, but everything else makes it so that way I can do whatever I want to do.
Speaker 1:So if you want to simplify this to help understand any context or situation. Just about whether something's right or wrong in terms of that is, you can go and pretend there's only two people on the planet you and me, right? So if you want a situation, it's like, okay, well, is it okay for me to do that in this situation? Well, if it does harm to me, or vice versa, I'm doing harm to you, then obviously no, it isn't. So it's not a right that I have. That can be dealt with in any way, shape or form. Now, sometimes you have to bring in a third party. Now, let's say, there's someone that is assaulting somebody else and that kind of stuff with it. I have every right to make it so. That way I end the assault that's on that person. Why? Because the person that's doing the harm to the other person is the one that is breaking the peace conditions that are going, the peaceful conditions that are going on, and by restraining them and getting them off that person we get back to homeostasis, aka the peace.
Speaker 3:That's justice. Yeah, the Stuff that's going on there.
Speaker 1:Maybe they're justified in what they're doing and that the other person attacked them first, or whatever the deal is, and that gets in the whole idea of self-defense and whatnot. So that gets into two principles the masculine component and the feminine component. The masculine component is the principle of self-defense and being able to protect yourself or other people when need be. And then the other side is the non-aggression principle. Don't go against anybody, don't harm anybody, unless you are invoking the self-defense principle. So if you point a gun at me and I happen to pull my gun out faster and shoot you first, that's the self-defense principle. I didn't do anything wrong you did by trying to do harm to me. All I did is prevent it from happening in that particular instance.
Speaker 1:Obviously it's a simplified version. Not everything's necessarily that black and white per se in the sense of like understanding it on that level. But the point is, again, we're trying to simplify so you can understand how these general concepts work here. Our founding fathers in America called this natural law that's why they say nature and her laws and following it, lots of ancient peoples have called it this way. It's been called karmic law, it's been called cosmic law, it's been called consequentialism, it's been called so many different things in so many different cultures and whatnot. It's all there and they're all telling us the same stuff. For what's happening? We've already figured it out, hence why this goes back to this ignorance idea versus nescience.
Speaker 1:But the problem is is that people aren't informed on this topic and they don't know it, and so the reason why we don't have freedom, justice, truth, abundance, peace, etc. That we talked about before love, respect and all that is because we keep doing things that are in violation of all those things with it and we think that we can get away of those. You know that somehow we are the arbiters of truth and we can do whatever we want and get away with it. That's not how reality works. That's not how reality works. We get the results that we put in. The universe is fundamentally neutral. It does not care about you, it does not care about me on an individual level. It only cares whether you understand things the way that they are or not. And so you know, a baby can walk off a cliff. Or, you know, crawl off a cliff. Let's say, and it doesn't care, that's a baby, it's. Do you know that gravity works the way that it does or it doesn't? In that regard, it is 100, like the archontic intelligence, but in another way, excuse me, in another way.
Speaker 1:The reality makes us so that way. It allows us and loves us enough to make our own mistakes and saying you're allowed to do whatever you want. You can make the same mistakes over and over again as much as you want, but you cannot escape the consequences of your choices. That is not possible.
Speaker 1:That's what everybody tries to do is try to insulate themselves and escape the consequences of their actions and come up with justifications for themselves, while by doing so you step out of integrity. You start step out of honesty. You are trying to cheat reality. So by you not accepting the consequences of your actions, you yourself are making it. So that way you are following. You're going against that one transgression principle of don't steal, stealing from yourself lying to yourself in this instance, which is the number one thing everybody has to do. The moment you stop lying to yourself and actually admit I was wrong on whatever topic that you're wrong on and believe me, I've had to do this for thousands of different things and purge so many different things on there that's when true growth can begin. That's when things can completely change, that's when new ideas can spring forth, that's when you can make things better and whatnot.
Speaker 1:So I hope that's useful yeah, that is sometimes I feel like I'm just rambling a bit.
Speaker 3:No, it's all useful. I mean if it incites any kind of learning or growth or, you know, seeking knowledge from what you say, even if I don't fully understand it now. Hopefully I will later, sooner rather than later, yeah well.
Speaker 1:I mean, you're young. You have youth on your side. The universe is much more forgiving and society is much more forgiving, as someone at your age than at my age. I'm not saying that I am old by any stretch of the imagination, but I am almost double your age. You know, I'm 33 years old here, and so certain things that you can get away with at your age I cannot get away with. Society just doesn't allow anymore, and that's how it should be. You know, we need to be able to grow and learn from our consequences and make things better for things.
Speaker 1:On that front, ryan sent me a notification here that I'm going to read off because it impacts everybody. But you know, kirsten already left, so maybe it's a. Or. Kirsten already left, so it's already going to be maybe problematic for her. When you leave this in order to make it so that way we get the recording properly fresh on there, wait for it to finish uploading, so like there should be somewhere near the top of the screen above your thing where it shows like level of upload, like mine says 99 uploading or whatever the deal is.
Speaker 1:So whenever that is uh done, that'll just make sure. Okay, I got to wait until that's the case with it and then you can close this particular window completely and you can still leave as long as you leave the tab open and then you can close the tab once it's been uploaded, to make it so that way the full parts are there. Yeah, I'll do that.
Speaker 3:Cool, I have one last little, I suppose. Um, I have one last little, yeah, I suppose, question on on top of what you just said do you think that justice is? Where justice lies, there's learning, you know, as in when there's action, reaction, that within that occurring there's learning, and that's what justice is, if that makes any kind of sense? I I don't know, I'm terrible at explaining what I'm thinking, but, like that, justice is a form of learning and once we learn, then equilibrium is restored.
Speaker 1:Equilibrium is restored every word every culture has its own understanding and version of justice, and and that kind of thing are we doing justice to people right now? So hear me out when I say this. We have a lot of people in our prison system that have not harmed anybody else, right? Maybe they smoked a plant peacefully in the living room or whatever the deal is. Did they harm anybody else, though? No, not by doing that particular action. There's plenty of things that are like that. They're in jail for one reason or another. That's not justice, right?
Speaker 1:On the flip side of of things, we have people who have killed, like so they're serial killers or they have done sexual assault to many different people and that kind of stuff with it. Why are we letting these people even breathe? Right? It's an insult to have them alive for what's going on there. We have put put them in prison, and by putting them in prison instead of getting rid of them, they have the opportunity to eventually escape. They have the opportunity to repeal themselves on a technicality to various different court justices and whatnot. I mean, these are people that were proven that they've actually done. It is what I'm saying here. You know you have.
Speaker 1:At the same time, you also have to where people don't see the consequences of the actions of not raising their children properly and and that kind of thing, where they become these monsters and whatnot that are masquerading around as human beings. You think that by putting them away in jail, that we're actually helping anything? To a certain extent we are. We're making it that way, you know, uh, in the case of these monsters not the people that like just smoking plants or whatever the deal is that they're not doing anything wrong I personally don't take it. I don't care whether you do or not. That's not my name, my business and that kind of thing with it, but it's for each person to decide, because it's your body, therefore your choice, right, yeah, so on that particular front with it, though, many people they don't go after these people that are doing things with it.
Speaker 1:We used to just get rid of them I'm sorry, but if you're a pedophile you don't get a second chance for what's going on. You get killed and put into the ground for what it is and that you end it, and that's in the discussion, so you can't harm anybody else in that fashion ever again. But we're not doing that, are making it so. That way these monsters are just locked up and hidden away from society so we don't get to understand fully the direct results of what's going on. And the system is clearly not working, because look at the level of amount of monsters that we have in, the amount of insanity that keeps going up and up and up. I mean, look at the school shooters as an example here in america and other parts of the world too. But america, you know, has a huge problem with that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that doesn't mean that gun rights should be taken away again. The peaceful gun owners they're the ones that can keep it and do all these other things with it. You know you don't get the right to steal them, because then you're taking away the self-defense principle right, and they didn't harm anybody else for it. But you also have these assholes that go around and make it so that way they are killing dozens of people and then turning the gun on themselves a lot of them for what's going on now? The media is not helping in any regard because they keep giving these people a time of day.
Speaker 1:Um, you know, just as another example on that front, there were people who would jump from the golden gate bridge. I don't know if that's still a thing or not, but there were, you know, in the early to late, late 1990s, early 2000s, and maybe even before then and when. I don't know the entire history of this, but point I'm trying to bring up is that the media kept airing that people were doing this and that they were getting near the 10,000th one since they started tabulating this number, tabulating these numbers. So what happened is is that they created a fake death that they put out in the media Because they didn't want everybody scrambling to be the 10,000th person.
Speaker 1:They didn't want everybody scrambling to be the 10,000th person and said that they were the 10,000th one in order to prevent as many people to do that, because then they're going to be remembered forever for being the 10,000th person who jumped from the Golden Gate Bridge. Something along the way you get where I'm coming from. It's stuff like that that's going on on that particular front. I mean, you can see this behind me and whatnot. There's a scales of justice and the egyptian tradition right there. So you have the heart on one side. You have the feather on the other side and that kind of stuff, which is an ostrich feather and it's associated with the goddess ma'at, the goddess of truth, the goddess of mother nature and natural law, like we're talking about here. And then the other side is the heart, which the egyptians to the egyptians, that represented the consciousness of the individual. So your consciousness needs to be as light as a feather in order to make that happen, and you'd be put in for of 42 different judges that were there when you pass from this realm into the next realm, and it was your job to answer in a negative way. They're called the 42 negative confessions, with the exception of one, which I'll come to in a moment, that it makes it so that way, with those 42 negative confessions, you're supposed to know I did not murder, no, I did not steal, no, I did not covet my neighbor's wife, etc. And that kind of stuff. Now, obviously I'm using biblical stuff instead of the egyptian one, but that's also for a reason, because the 10 commandments were a truncated version. If you followed those 10 commandments, you automatically followed the 42 negative confessions at the same time and it came out from that in some capacity or another. So you also have where one of them you're supposed to answer yes to, and that that was where you loved, that someone loved you, right. So they're getting into that notion again.
Speaker 1:And so the point is that I'm bringing with it is that justice could be summarized in such a way that makes it so that way. It is where we follow natural law in the sense of do no harm to anybody else, the non-aggression principle, but also responding accordingly when natural law is broken and invoking the self-defense principle for you or for other people who are unable to defend uh themselves. And to make it so that way your consciousness, by following natural, by making sure you're not harming anybody else, is as light as a feather when you go into the afterlife or when people are remembering you and whatnot, they only have good things to say about this particular individual that's going on there. And so, to answer your question about the learning stages of things that have to do with that, yes, it is at least a part of this justice notion and whatnot, but it also goes into making sure that you live in accordance to where you are doing the right thing rather than doing the wrong thing, and so most of us need to stop doing a lot of the wrong things that we are doing inside of our lives and whatnot. You being so young, of course you're still learning to figure that out and whatnot. You already know some of them. I'm not saying that you don't. That's not what I'm coming to and all of that. But other things you know. They not that they require a more adult perspective. It's more that it comes with time and wisdom and experience and realizing I didn't understand that this impacted this or that or this. You hear I'm coming from, yeah, and sometimes you do, because sometimes your parents told you, your grandparents told you, your teacher told you or somebody else, and you still go do it anyway, but you needed to learn that lesson yourself and by learning it through having direct experience for what's going on makes it so. That way, you never repeat that experience again because it's like no, I get it, I understand, I will not do this again. Yeah, I was just the way that it is for each new person, each new generation.
Speaker 1:But it's about removing as much self-inflicted suffering as possible, so to speak, and then that means, on a species-wide level, not doing it to others as well. We're all going to make mistakes. We're all going to be human. We're all going to be doing stuff that violates this. To a certain extent. Nobody is a perfect entity. For what's going on there, the point is to remove as much of the negative from our lives as possible and that kind of stuff. This isn't a utopia. There's no such thing as utopia in the sense of like a perfect world and all this other stuff. That's not what I'm getting at. There's still going to be plenty of problems to solve. There's still going to be conflict and that kind of stuff with it. It's just where it's not going to be, where we're violating each other's rights anymore. That's all that's going to become to.
Speaker 1:You think our relationships are going to be solved by this? No, you're still going to have to make it so that way. People have different interests. People have different things that want to be done with it. There's still going to be conflict resolution. That has to be dealt with it. We just deal with it in a way that we don't harm anybody else. Now I don't use my fist or I don't bring out a knife or a gun or whatever the deal is, to try to get my point across or make you have it with it. I don't try to exploit other people. It's just like all right, this isn't working. So in some capacity or another buddy somewhere in that equation made it so that way. They brought wrong thinking into the system, or both parties did so.
Speaker 1:If you want to have a three-dimensional relationship with anybody, doesn't matter who, it is all right. It could be me, it could be a friend, it could be a teacher, it could be any entity that there is whatsoever out there. Okay, there's three points of contact. There's you, there's the other individual and then at the top there's the truth, and you both need to be actively trying to seek out the truth and doing the truthful, honest, right thing to do and that kind of stuff. If one of you or both of you are disengaged from truth. You're going to make it so that way. There's going to be all these problems that pop up from it and the relationship at best is a two-dimensional relationship or even a one-dimensional relationship and it's not going to work out in any way, shape or form.
Speaker 1:And, um, you know, a lot of people violated their own principles for what it is, when they came to stuff with it during the COVID pandemic and that kind of stuff, with the way that they treated people that were going on there. You know you can't have where it's my body, my choice, only in certain instances. It's either that way for all instances or it's not. You put first principles first, meaning that this is what is right, this is what is wrong. We don't do that. So theft we know not to steal, so you don't steal in any circumstance. Basically, you know any of the various and he's dying of dehydration and all this other stuff with it.
Speaker 1:And you have a bottle of water that you're not willing to give it to him but you're willing to sell it to him for a million dollars. Ok, what do you want? To play this game? Let's play this game. Yes, you have the right to have that water, absolutely. That person also has a right to life for what's going on there, and it's an unreasonable price for what it is. And now you're putting his life in duress because a million dollars is not something that the vast majority of the people on the planet can afford for one water bottle. All right, this is not the case, or what it is. You are trying to exploit this individual because you know that you have that. That person has every right to make it in that particular instance, to take the water bottle from you. Because of the way that you are behaving, you are now threatening their life because they are literally dying of thirst in this particular instance for what's going on there. Now, if you were selling it, say, for a dollar and that kind of thing for it, and the person didn't have a dollar on them, does that still make it right? No, you still give them the water and maybe they have to do something for you as a favor in return afterwards, and that kind of stuff like fold your laundry or I don't know, whatever you come up with some other deal is the point that makes us that way. They're not doing that.
Speaker 1:But that again goes back to the monetary system and monetary system. This is where this problem pops up. Where you have a debt-based system that everybody's thinking about having to get money and where to keep the money from, and all these other things. Well, imagine an economy that's based upon resources instead of a debt-based system. First off, how can you have debt? Show me negative elk in the wild that the deer I mean negative elk and deer that the wolves can hunt. No, there's either elk or deer present or there's not. The negative number is a made-up concept that we as human beings have done with it, so we can't fight reality on that front forever. Debt is not a thing that actually exists, right? That's why we having all these problems.
Speaker 1:We have over 500 trillion dollars on the world debt clock, or whatever the hell it is. Now you think that that's not going to impact the world around us. You think that that isn't going to be something that makes us so. That way, we have all these species that are dying off and being killed and whatnot, because you have to have where the economy has a two percent growth rate on a finite planet. So it's two percent growth rate every year. So if it was a hundred units, that means the next year it's 102 units, then the next year it's a 2% of 102. So now it's whatever that is and it keeps on pounding outward for that time period. And if you take it, just say, from the Federal Reserve onward, that means from 1913 onward, so 112 years.
Speaker 1:And going on here in the united states, just as an example obviously other countries have, whenever their version of this came into being for their central bank and all that other stuff. I'm just doing that because it's the one I know the best and I've studied my own country the best for what's going on. That's why. And so when you look at it from that perspective of things, with it you have trillions, of trillions of dollars of debt that can never be paid back. So it's there to steal the resources of other people, put it in the hands of the few and we keep working for the rest of our lives. So this entire thing wouldn't be a thing.
Speaker 1:Imagine that, okay, there's a well, that's over there, there's just water for everybody. It's free for everybody, we don't have to worry about it. Anybody can go to the well and do whatever they need to with it, right? Yeah, if you have to, where, let's say, I have a surplus of whatever. I have a surplus of potatoes, you have a surplus of carrots. I put extra out of potatoes, you put extra out of carrots. Anybody can just go grab that particular thing with that you can have. We've had economies like this in the past, where they're based upon resources only in gift giving and that kind of thing with it, rather than making it so that way. It's about this made-up concept called money that has no value whatsoever. It's just supposed to be an approximation for resources.
Speaker 3:It's literally not.
Speaker 1:Old standard works better than what we have now yeah, I mean because it makes us so that way. There's limits to it. Imagine the following situation I have a hundred thousand right For whatever country. I don't care, we can use any country in the world, it doesn't matter, and that's it. There are no more coins, all right. And those 100,000 coins were minted 400 years ago, okay, well, how much technology have we improved? How much have we gotten in production that makes it so that way? Those coins value go way the hell up, not down. Right, because there's only the same amount of coin that there is with it. There's no inflation that was created in any way, shape or form. And so as generations go on and the production value goes up and up and, up and up and up, you're going to need less and less coins to buy. You can even make it so that way you don't even have money anymore.
Speaker 1:People just happily do stuff for what's going on, maybe only the internet is something that people have to pay for. Why? Because it's the newest technology or whatever the deal is and that kind of thing that's going on there, and so you have to volunteer three, four hours a week on helping to maintain the servers or to help you maintain the data line, whatever. Okay, think about this way. I don't have to pay for anything. Everything I need is provided for me because of this. We all have everything that we need and that kind of stuff. We have extra, so much extra that we don't even know what to do with all of it sometimes and that kind of stuff for it. That's fine. We have a surplus right and it keeps building up and I only have to volunteer doing something to help maintain society. Three or four hours a week doing something else rather than working a job. For maybe I have to put in three or four hours a week for snow plowing here in new england or whatever the deal is.
Speaker 1:Maybe you put in three or four hours making it, so that way you go and help with the internet. Somebody else does three or four hours to make it, so that way you know they help with the electrical stuff, with it or what, all these different things that help maintain it and whatnot. But there's no money anymore. I mean, that sounds like a much better system to me for what's going on there. We don't have to pay taxes, we don't have to pay any of these other things on it. Everybody's working together for what's happening. The roads are still taken care of. We have all these new inventions that have come out that aren't being suppressed because the technology being suppressed by people who don't want it to change their dynamic, for whatever's going on there but that's not the world we live in, because everything's upside down and inverted in our world.
Speaker 1:We literally have an anti-economy right now we have, where we're doing everything in the exact wrong way around for stuff. And I'm not saying the economy solves everything, I'm just using it because it's something that affects everybody, that anybody can understand on a basic level for what's going on there. You know. That's also how you can get to fixing this justice stuff. If we make it so that we are doing the right thing instead of doing the wrong thing for what it is, a lot of these problems that we've created for ourselves start going away. The animals are going to be killed less. The resources are going to be depleted less on the planet. You're not going to have this throw away economy stuff for what's going on. I mean, imagine a toaster that's literally designed to last as long as possible for toasting your toast and whatnot, like my grandmother had one that lasted 50 years, but her next that's where a lot of these resource problems come from and of course, we we don't have a food issue on the planet.
Speaker 1:We have a resource management problem on the planet. For what it is, I mean, you know, we have people that are simultaneously starving in certain pockets of the world, whereas other pockets of the world you have people where that are morbidly obese. Explain that one. It's a resource problem. That's what it is. It's not that we don't have resources, at least in terms of food and all these other things, to take care of stuff. We don't know how to do that. We could have 20 billion people on the planet. It wouldn't make any difference for what's going on there.
Speaker 1:People are like well, how do we deal with someone who steals something? Okay, let's say I stole from you Just to give an example laptop, just for sake of simplicity and whatnot, right, and you can prove that I stole it because there's cameras and that kind of stuff with it. So you, you show that I'm stealing your laptop, you put it out there to the various different people. And if people are moral people, so I try to go and buy groceries at the grocery store. They won't let me till I return your laptop. I try to get gas in my car or put electricity in my car you know one of the outlets that has that for electric car vehicles and whatnot I'm not allowed to do that until I return your laptop. And this goes on for all the different places that there are and it starts spreading like wildfire because of the internet and all these other things and eventually I'm shut down until I return your laptop.
Speaker 1:Here I'm coming from now. Are they doing anything wrong? No, no, because they're refusing to interact with me. That's all they're doing. They are not putting me under diversion. They're not putting me underneath caress, duress, any of the other stuff that's going on there. They're not doing anything but saying we to give you your laptop back. So I go and give you the laptop back. You go and resend the order saying, hey, their laptop's been returned and whatnot. And now I'm allowed to go get groceries, go get gas, whatever. You know all the other stuff that's going along with it, etc.
Speaker 1:Much better system. Doesn't do harm to anybody else, doesn't need police to go and do stuff with it, doesn't need the sheriff to go and do things or what's going on with it. Makes it so that way that that's the case for it. People behave better. But in order to make that happen, you have to have honor in society again, which brings up this justice notion that you're taught so it's. You know. We have to build that back in the sense of, okay, I want to do the honorable thing, I want to do the right thing for what's going on.
Speaker 1:But that goes into teaching people how to behave properly, which goes back into the input, processing and output stage and all goes back into all those other things that we're kind of getting back into circles again here. But the point is is that, you know, I'm just going to keep hammering into it, because these are the core functions of how reality is built. Yeah, on that front, for what it is, human beings are programmable. We're like machines. We are neither good nor evil. We are the admixture of everything that we've experienced, that we've been told, that we've been taught, that we've put into ourselves, that we've read, that we've anything in any way, shape or form that has information into us and how our ability is to sort and sift through that information.
Speaker 1:Right, I don't get to decide you know certain biochemistry that I have or whatever the deal is and that kind of thing. Obviously you know my chemicals at your age are going to be raging and whatnot in order to make it so that way I go and have sex because it's the natural next step of life that needs to be done for you get where I'm coming from. I don't have control over that stage of life, but I do have control over whether I allow those chemicals and dictate what I'm doing or processing yeah I don't care whether that's for you to decide what you want to do with it.
Speaker 1:You know you're at that stage of life and whatnot and do do what's right for you. I don't care who you're with or not with, that's none of my business and there's nobody else's business but yours. So that's kind of what happens on this front with it too is that you know we there are biological influences and impulses that we have, which is fine and some of them are great and wonderful and natural, and we suppress some because we think that we're doing the right thing while we're doing a suppressing them.
Speaker 1:But then that suppression can make it so it comes out and other negative forms and outlets as well, if it doesn't have that. So there's a lot more that can go into all these dynamics that are broken down with it. But basically what we need as a species is a science like a science that teaches natural law, a school that teaches natural law, that teaches the principles of freedom, of how not to harm other people, of how not to do any of these other things. With it you get a generation that learns from that, say your generation or backwards that's, you know that kind of stuff with it. And suddenly you can see where the world changes overnight, like you're not I mean like from a evolutionary standpoint. You would see where it can't, like we can't go back to it, it's not, it's not going to be possible with that.
Speaker 1:And if you get in this everywhere, not just the united states or not just in the western world, the whole world and suddenly you can have an entire generation that's like no, we're not doing this and we understand it and that kind of thing. That's what religion tried to teach people don't do these things. Okay, great, we're not doing these things. But if you don't know the why behind that, suddenly some other leader can come in, or some other person can come in and say, okay, this is how we're interpreting this. Now there's no, there's aren't people that can be like no, we don't do it this way. We know we don't do it this way because of x, y and z, and they just say, oh, okay, we're doing it this way now.
Speaker 1:Well then, you get religion and that kind of stuff. That's what happened with the aztec empire, as an example, edward, there was a misunderstanding that came in with it. That was either purposely made or somebody did it later on. I'm in the camp of purposely. That doesn't mean it's true. I'm just saying that's my particular understanding of things of it and whatnot.
Speaker 1:I don't think anybody can definitively say this. Probably that's a bias. I have just to be clear on that front. Regardless to where they changed the way they were understanding their own ritual doctrine and whatnot, the way that they were understanding their own ritual doctrine and whatnot, and suddenly they get to where they need to sacrifice tens of thousands of people or hundreds of people and whatnot, to make it so. That way the sun rises the next day and blah, blah, blah and appease it and make it so there's no eternal darkness, what you know.
Speaker 1:But if the people were like, no, that's not what our religion says, this is bullshit, you're an insane, mad person then what they'd do do is they have three options that they would deal with them in most cases. One they would kill them because they don't want the insanity inside of their stuff, like we talked about before. Two, they would exile them to some other place or whatever the deal is. And you know, say, the British Isles did to a bunch of the people that are in Australia now You're all a bunch of people that have done some sort of criminal activity. You earlier, now you're all a bunch of people that have done some sort of criminal activity that's, you're going to be sent there and whatnot. Yeah, you know that's the exile portion. Or the third one is is like, okay, there's something wrong with this person, clearly they need help. Let's get them into the proper place to help heal them and whatnot if they can be healed, type deal and whatnot. And so you know someone that says, like alzheimer's or dementia disease, they might be behaving oddly and doing stuff that has nothing to do with reality because they, their mind, their brain, is literally screwed up in terms of how things are with it.
Speaker 1:As a personal example my grandfather. He read a bunch of spy novels. I mean literally 40, 50 years or more. That's what he did, and so a lot of these plots got stuck in his head as if they were actually real and were happening to him and that kind of stuff with it. And so suddenly he's paranoid about everything and there's people out to get him, even if they're not. But the problem is is that it can have real world consequences, because now he wants to have access to his gun to defend himself from people that are doing all these things. His perception is not true and aligned with reality, but it's not his fault. He has no control over this particular instance.
Speaker 1:This is the type of person that, okay, we need to put him in a proper place, we need to make it so he's taken care of.
Speaker 1:That clearly, yes, he can potentially be a threat to others not a threat to himself in this instance, and whatnot so we need to monitor him.
Speaker 1:But he is not doing this because he has any ill content, you know, in any way towards anybody, but he unfortunately is not in track with reality. So we need to do something to help rehabilitate him, if we can, in the instance of Alzheimer's, at least, with the current scientific literature that's out there, you can't. So all we can do is try to contain that type of notion and whatnot and make it so that way we don't allow them to harm themselves or anybody else, at least to the best that we can and whatnot. It's sad, but it is the reality of stuff that's going on there too, and so you know, I'll finish up with this and then, because I think we've kind of really hit the nail on the head as many times as we can from different angles, but, if this line that I'm kind of indicating here represents reality, right, this line here that I'm drawing, this wavy line, represents our perception of reality, and so if it's really varied and like this, it doesn't touch that line all that often.
Speaker 1:Therefore, that person has a very skewed understanding of reality by what's actually taking place. So someone like my grandfather when he had alzheimer's dementia, that was doing this stuff, he would be wildly all over the place and not touch the line all that often. Every once in a while we have a lucid thought that was actually a real thought, that had to do with reality. But, you know, eventually disease took him and he died from it, just natural, whatever. But then you have other people that say are like this, you know, they're more touching on it. Then you have people that are, say, an expert in a particular field and they really understand their field and it's like this.
Speaker 1:And then you've got somebody who, like buddha, let's say, a truly enlightened being, is like that or whatever the deal is, and he can see reality for what it is actually in that particular instance, and so the more that that line goes up and down and crosses reality, the more you're in alignment with reality and making it so that way you can understand things.
Speaker 1:And so that's where a lot of this also comes into is that you have different perceptions of what reality is, and that's where people get in trouble for stuff with it, and so until we can actually figure out what reality is and actually all agree upon what reality is, it's going to be difficult in order to create some of the world that I'm talking about here without self-inflicted suffering and whatnot.
Speaker 1:Now, that doesn't mean that we can't start building towards that direction slowly but surely, but that's kind of where things are, and that's kind of how knowledge now, and that's how justice can be brought about as well, because aligning our thoughts and perceptions with reality as much as possible, yeah, that makes sense, especially with anything that actually matters. You know, if you want to believe in the flying spaghetti monster, that particular belief doesn't harm anybody. Right, it's delusional, but it doesn't harm anybody. Uh versus, I believe that I have the right to own slaves.
Speaker 1:That belief is harmful and needs to be expunged from the consciousness of every human being on the planet. And this is a numbers game, so you can have one person who knows the truth about everything, but the reality is is that, well, the actuality is? Because it's not reality, but the actuality is meaning that how things are being played out is that that one person is not going to be able to change the course of human history. You're going to need to make it so that way, in terms of how the systems are built, that more people believe in whatever is truthful than today. We get bullshit results. That's why we have the chaos and insanity at the highest levels that they are today, because people believe things that aren't real, that have nothing to do with truth or reality in any way, shape or form, whether they realize it or not, and you know, I was one of those people who held on and clung on to these beliefs for a while until I started studying these various different traditions deeply and started understanding myself better and going on my own grail quest, let's say, to really change myself, and I've had to admit to myself I was wrong thousands upon thousands, upon thousands of times. That goes back to your learning for justice perspective and, of course, it's a big part of it, but that's also the reason why it's there.
Speaker 1:I would say is also because of personal responsibility. When you decide that you want to learn these things, you're also taking personal responsibility for yourself and making it so. That way you can actually learn things from it. Right? If you don't take the personal responsibility and say it doesn, it doesn't matter, then you're never even going to want to learn.
Speaker 3:That's true. Yeah, I'm glad I got into all of this so young, I guess.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm grateful, I'm glad that you even have an interest for this stuff and whatnot. It ought to be very beneficial for your life. I have certain things on my channel that you can check out more further. I would definitely suggest looking. It's just an audio. Unfortunately, I'm gonna have to remake that and maybe you make a course about it.
Speaker 1:But go and look at the trivia method. I understand it, that's the one that has to do with these three stages of stuff that I keep harping on. So yeah, that would be my number one suggestion on that front. I think it's like 40 minutes long or something like a little less than that. Take your time, make sure that you understand it and all that it'll impact your life the most in terms of understanding that when you understand that, like truly understand it, you can teach yourself practically anything. It might take a while to learn whatever the subject matter is, but you'll be able to teach yourself practically anything for what's going. You might need a deep dive the trivia method more from other people. Of course, this is just a to whet your appetite. Let's say yeah, but if you learn that, you'll be able to learn lots of other things for what's going on.
Speaker 3:I'll do that, yeah. Anything else? Yeah, really quickly. Do you think the best state for humans in general is equilibrium, like as in neutrality, or do you think it's positivity, as in growth, or do you think there's growth within neutrality, or you know, I don't know. Even as conduits for power and energies, you know that we can be negative and positive ultimately okay.
Speaker 1:Stagnation leads to death. The universe of horror stagnation you can see this in all different kinds of things where it's always looking to grow, is always looking to try to expand and to make it so. That way there's. That way, stagnation is anti-life is what it is on that particular front, I don't even need to go any further onto that, at least for my expo, my point, where they mean for the explanation. I have no problem with explaining uh, that with it, but it's like, it's like the idea that you're a robot if you just repeat the same thing over and over again you're a robot, yeah, yeah, I agree.
Speaker 3:it just gets confusing sometimes when you know justice is restoration of equilibrium and we as creatures of growth and positivity and change, how do we kind of work around justice, or does it adapt to us? If that makes sense, we always have to adapt to reality.
Speaker 1:Reality will never adapt to us. So our reality right now is that we are a species who believes in enslavement through the tyranny known as government, by thinking that it has the right to do so. We have given up personal responsibility to these various different entities that make up the government and whatnot, which are all just people in one way or another, so they're always people for what's going on. So we have given up our free will choice, whether tacitly, by agreeing implicitly for what's going on, or by actual consent that's going on there, and we make it so that way we're all underneath duress and coercion. I mean, I'm sorry, but basically we have a bunch of gangs of psychopaths that rule the world and different pockets of it. They behave exactly like cartels, do uh and and whatnot, or other drug lords and that kind of thing that are running things with it, and it's just a gang. That's all it is. The difference is is that our governments are a gang that got a hold of the education system, that made it so. That way, people believe that they have the right to exist, they have the right to rule over them, they have the right to do what they're doing with it. I mean, let's just take democracy as an idea for what's going on here.
Speaker 1:You have a house, you own the house. Let's say you're a little older, I don't care, I know you're not. Let's just pretend that you do. For the sake of your parents house, I don't care. So you have the house. Right. The house represents the land, it represents the place, it represents you and all that other stuff, right? So I come over and I say okay, uh, this is my house. Now you feel like, no, this is not your house, get the hell out. Anybody can see that that's wrong. This is what putin is doing with ukraine, right, invading ukraine and that kind of stuff. Nobody cares on that front. It's very blat obvious. His reasons for doing it might be legitimate, maybe they're not. I'm just talking about the actual invasion in and of itself.
Speaker 1:I don't care whether that's there or not. That's not the point of the discussion. So if I come and saying it's mine and you say, no, it's not, this is ours, okay, great, okay. So now you say, well, we don't do that here, no-transcript mean that you get to take away my house. Why not? I did all the paperwork, like you said. I did all these processes. My friends voted that we get to keep this house and that kind of stuff, even though it's your house.
Speaker 1:Why can't I have the house and, like you, just keep playing this game over and over and showing how all the stuff that government is doing is just bullshit? It doesn't matter for what it is. Each government is the way that it is because the people have allowed it to be that way in some form or another. You think that the people in north korea, even though they're starving enough, if all of them, every single one of them, went and told Kim that, hey, you're going to do, you're going to stop this bullshit or we're going to murder you? That's the case where, yeah, maybe someone will die in the process or whatever the deal is, due to the military leaders getting involved or whatever the deals, but nobody, if every single one of them, even, let's say, the military, said no, we're not doing this either, they're not happening, just a rate.
Speaker 1:Lunatic is a you know ravings of a bad man. That's what the issue is is that people believe in this stuff with it, and so they give up their authority. And because they give up their authority, that means there are more people that have certain power over other people and that kind of stuff, that there are rulers and benjamin franklin he's a founding father and whatnot. He ended up saying that you know something along the lines of if you seek security and and you will over freedom, you will soon lose both or something along those lines. For what?
Speaker 1:it is which is true, yeah and oh, you know that's what the government does. This is for your protection, is for your protection, is for your or the children's protection, whatever the deal is from his autonomy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, there isn't any there's no, it's just a gang of psychopaths that thinks that they have the right to rule over somebody else, doesn't have the right to rule over somebody else, who thinks that, by going through these weird rituals like you know that are, I'm going to hang boom, boom, boom on the table here with this hammer and that kind of stuff, the gavel that we call it and suddenly it's been done and this person had this person speak on their behalf that knows the secret codes and languages of the legal mumbo jumbo that we made up and this one over here does with it, and then we bring forth all this evidence and then that's the way that it's going to be.
Speaker 1:Or, you know, you have the signing of the various different executive orders by the president and all this fanfare that's around, and here's the pin for this one, and here's the pin for that one, and here's the pin for this one that's here in the united states, and all the showmanship that goes oh, it's all it is. It's a cult. It's a cult. It's a cult. That's all that it is. It's a giant cult, man. It's a cult of some sort. That's what's happening there doesn't matter which government that it is.
Speaker 1:Now just to be clear, there's a difference between, say, a politician and a statesman. A politician is someone who's only in there for themselves, for their own votes, whatever the deal is that kind of stuff. They're for their own power is the point. Aidsman is somebody who actually wants to do right by the people, using government and that kind of thing, which are two different things for what's happening there. You know, if you're in a place where the government is so bad that, like, you have to have people in government at least to like remove the corruption of government and getting people to see that there's all these problems within the government and that kind of stuff, in order to get people to wake up, that they need to take back some of their power and then eventually take it all back, uh, and that kind of thing with it. A statesman could be a good stop gap in the interim for what's going on there and make that happen and make it so no, and whatnot. So, like if someone's like we're getting rid of all these governmental branches, like javier malay in argentina, right, I'm bringing him up because obviously he's not part of the western world, he's his own entity, but what he's doing is he's cleaved all these employees, he's gotten rid of all these governmental agencies that are in there and whatnot, that are doing nothing but stealing from their people, and argentina is starting to slowly but surely get itself out of this hell that it's been in for I don't know decades, if not a century, and that kind of stuff of socialism and whatnot and various different forms of it, and then already feudalism even in certain regards, with all different forms of tyranny, regardless, and making it so that way they have actual freedom. It's slowly happening, but he's doing it and he's unwinding things, and what's happening is is that the people are gaining more and more of their power back for it, and hopefully they'll be like you know what we want as much as we can get back.
Speaker 1:And if everybody starts unwinding and taking back as much personal responsibility for themselves and taking their power back rather than allowing other people to do stuff with it, then yeah, I mean, what are they going to do? If everybody in the british isles said we are not taking another migrant, we don't care where it comes from, and they all march down, you know, to the various different areas of power in their government and whatnot. You know they're not all in London, because some of them are also in Scotland or Wales or wherever. Yeah, that are going on there with it too, and they go to their each one of their governmental buildings and sit there and say we're not leaving, and neither are you, until you pass a law that says no more, that's going on with it, sure you had an end of discussion, for what's happening, or, you know, we could just kill you if you want.
Speaker 1:I mean that, yeah, we don't want to do that, but we'd rather you just write words on a piece of paper. See, that's the thing. It's all it is. That's all a law. Is it's words on a piece of paper, or electronically stored, or both somewhere? That's it. I can write words on a piece of paper. Does that make it legal? No, somehow they have this magical right. See, that's the thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, rules for thee, but not for me, that's how you know you have tyranny, yeah, and so everybody has the same rights and responsibilities as everybody else. You cannot have it any other way. Any other way goes against natural law, goes against the reality that there is in this universe, and it makes it so. That way, you're going to have the circle that keeps popping up, the cycles that keep popping up over and over again. People keep wondering well, why does it keep going through the same cycles? Because we're stupid. We keep doing the same shit over and over again, expecting it to behave differently, whatnot? That's called insanity, literally called insanity. I don't know what you want. Yeah, I'm not saying I have all the answers, I don't. I just know what not to do, and that's half the battle. If you get rid of all the stuff you're not supposed to do, the rest of it will work itself out eventually.
Speaker 1:Well done, yeah yeah it's true so we're all underneath the rest. We're underneath the coercion. We're all being force fed propaganda every day for what it is. Doesn't matter where you are on the planet, you are all corralled into certain areas that we're not allowed to leave without special permission. For what's going on for it? I can't drive a car without special permission. Who gives you the right to dictate what I can do with this car, as long as I'm not harming anybody, yeah the right to dictate what I can do with this car, as long as I'm not harming anybody.
Speaker 1:It's like everything's a sham, everything's a lie, everything is a house of cards and it's all ready to fall apart the moment we as a species realize no, none of this makes any sense. Everything you're saying is insane. You're all insane. You don't have the right to rule us. We don't have the right to rule you either, and we just stop playing this game of enslavement. That's all that's happening. We have feudalism 2.0. That's what we've got going on. We've got feudalism 2.0 as the new model. That's it.
Speaker 3:That's all we've got More organized, more hidden.
Speaker 1:It's much more organized, much more hidden, foruscated and that kind of stuff, and people believe in the obstensible notion of what a government is. Obstensible here meanings you might not know that word meaning what they claim their role in existence is versus what they are actually doing. They claim to protect you and to prevent chaos from happening, when they're the ones that are creating the chaos. They claim to make it so that way they have your best interest at heart, when now they only have their own interest at heart and ruling over you for what's going on, or me or anybody else or that matter. And so that's what it means. The only thing that prevents us from having the things that we want in life and whatnot, like peace, abundance, security, all these other things, is to actually learn these principles. Instill them into our youth, make it so. That way the vast majority of people follow them. There will never be everybody it's not a thing Anybody who shows any signs of it past a certain age. That can't do it. That you get rid of them. Get rid of them.
Speaker 1:Maybe what'll happen is is that we're getting better at this stuff with it and maybe we can go to mars with it. We exiled into mars, all right, that's where you go. You want to behave that way. All you people can do whatever you want on there and we'll send you supplies if we feel like it. Yeah, I think I think that's a good idea. You know we're not there yet, but I'm saying, you know, in the future maybe that's what we do, that's our version of exile, like the, you know, england did for Australia or whatever you don't want to kill them and that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1:Personally, I think, depending upon what it is, certain people can be rehabilitated. Certain people can't no-transcript to go around and imposing their will on people, that they can't stop stealing from other people or defrauding them or whatever this. All these, that's the stuff we're talking about there people who can't follow basic rules, uh and whatnot, and are unable to regulate themselves. A lot of these laws we have is because some idiot somewhere did something stupid that you know, that make us so. It's the case with it. So, because one idiot did something stupid 30 years ago, 100 years ago, whatever the case is for each one of these things, suddenly we're all punished for it.
Speaker 1:No, that's not justice, that's retardedness. That's what that is. You're literally making it that way. You're slowing people down. I'm talking about the original meaning of retarded, meaning to slow down, uh and whatnot. That's where the stagnation comes from, and that kind of thing. So we are on a collision course that if we continue down the road that we are, we will go extinct flat out and rather rapidly. We'll have a big pyramid of enslavement and then we'll have this area with it. That'll go slowly but surely into decay and it might take a thousand years or whatever the deal is. This might sound like a long time, but on an evolutionary time scale that's not really that long in terms of that, and we'll wipe ourselves out. Yes, we'll take a lot of species and other cause a lot of problems along the way on this planet as things go on with it, because we're behaving like a virus. Notice, I said behaving rather than it actually is a virus. So you've got that on that particular front as well I'm more optimistic than pessimistic, I think.
Speaker 3:you know, even in our community, on Discord, you know like it's a start and we're seeing proliferation. Now you know that one person has said no, this isn't how it's supposed to be. You know we've had that effect occur and it's starting to catch on.
Speaker 1:You familiar with the 100th or 99th monkey, I forget which one is.
Speaker 3:The 100th monkey effect, 99th monkey effect probably, if you tell it to me, I'll just briefly sum it up and whatnot.
Speaker 1:So what's happening is is that they found that this monkey started to wash its food and like, uh, I forget if it's a river or lake or whatever, but started to wash its food right beforehand and whatnot, and this mother monkey saw them doing it, and then other ones started implementing it and figuring it out and eventually got to a hundredth one, and then monkeys of the same species that had never interacted with each other started doing the same thing.
Speaker 1:All right. So there it's referred to as a morphogenetic field, so genetic field, genetic you get. Morpho is having to do with how it plays out for stuff, so there's some sort of field that connects that species on a genetic level. Whatever it is that we're going back to, this consciousness that can exist outside the body idea, going back to this consciousness that can exist outside the body idea.
Speaker 1:So suddenly, if this idea is instilled in enough people like for human beings, let's say, it can also organically occur on its own. So if we start teaching people how to think, if we start teaching people that there's only one law do not steal and all the various different permutations of that, if you start teaching all these things about how to live a lifestyle that's in balance with nature, that's natural and that kind of stuff that's going on there, rather than the anti-economy and the anti-nature bullshit that we have going on now, then if there's enough people that learn that suddenly more and more will start flipping on its head. Yeah, and humanity for both good and for negative, you know is a herd species. It is a species that makes it so that way. We follow groupthink, we do things that are that way with it and we go with whatever the trends are of the prevailing group of people at that time period. And so if you have it set up in such a way that enough people start slowly building on this idea and are the early adopters of it, then eventually it starts turning on its head.
Speaker 1:I mean, look at like internet as a perfect example of that. At least in western world you had in the 90s where, you know, very, very few people were part of it in any way, shape or form. And here we are now, you know, about 30 ish years later, and suddenly you have a 90 some odd percent adoption rate with throughout the the you know the western world, uh and and that kind of thing, you know 80, 90 adoption rate, sometimes even higher depending upon the country yeah so clearly that started with slow stages of building up with new technology and how it was playing out.
Speaker 1:And look at all the stuff that could be done on the internet now, because all the innovation that came from that same thing.
Speaker 1:That can happen here. It can happen that quickly in terms of really changing things and fixing things on this planet, if there's enough momentum. Currently, we got our heads up our asses, but should we do this, then we can get out of it. Plato's cave is what this allegory is all about. His allegory is like you're looking at full fake shit. You don't understand that it's not real, it's just a shadow, it's not the actual truth of things or what it is. Someone escaped the cave, saw it and then tried to go and free them and bring them back out, and you know all the metaphor that goes into that. That's what his telling of that story is about. There's also much deeper meaning behind it in terms of, like a personal journey that he went on and you know something that happened to him. That was a mystical experience that allowed him to understand this particular thing with it. But that's you know, know. We can still use it to showcase. This is the same concept, yeah, same idea. That's great.
Speaker 1:I am neither optimistic of this nor pessimistic for what's going on with it. I don't view it as a very likely scenario that we will get ourselves out of this situation due to how egotistical and hard-headed and narcissistic humanity currently is. However, as we talked about before, if suddenly there is enough courage from the populace and there's enough people that decide to start taking action on these things, then you know, things can rapidly change here overnight and the entire situation can change like that and make that happen with it. So to say that I think that we're doomed is also not the case for it. I'm just looking at it realistically and saying, yeah, right, we stay on the current trajectory, we're on, we're screwed can we?
Speaker 1:change course. Yes, it's not baked in yet.
Speaker 1:Yes, we can't, so I'll just leave it at that. The final thing I will say on all this is that a lot of people don't understand this dynamic, but it's only a few people that changed the world, like significantly change it, and have iron. Will that allow things to change for it? Examples there was 55 people that started the Nazi party in Germany. There was 300 people that started the Bolshevik revolution in Russia no-transcript. England was also the british empire at that time period began to make it so. That way, outward slavery, like chains and shackles and that kind of stuff that were going on with it, began to be eradicated worldwide due to its influence at the time period and whatnot. 20 people began that idea, which is, you know, saying a lot, and the list goes on and on. So anybody who claims that a small group of dedicated people who are willing to put everything on the line in order to make that happen cannot change the world is absolutely wrong. It is the only method that has ever truly changed the world I will leave it at that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, thank you, you're welcome. Great, all right. Well, so I'm just gonna get the heck off of here. It's been two and a half hours and that kind of stuff with it.
Speaker 4:It's been great I was hoping that there would be more people that would come on.
Speaker 1:Not that I didn't enjoy talking, but it's just I wanted to get as many questions and answers out there for various different people with different perspectives of stuff. Yeah, of course, I'm grateful for you and ryan and um for kristin for coming on. It was making that happen and yeah.